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North Central Illinois | I need to pick up a piece of machinery this winter sometime. It's within the 150 air mile restriction, but a good hour over the state line. Am I legal with farm plates on a pickup and gooseneck? Every time I ask a government official, I get a different answer. |
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New Castle, PA | unfortunately every cop will give you a different answer also .we do it all the time, never had any problems, however theres always a first time.DOT man told me long time ago that the biggest thing is to look good. make sure your dot number is visible, same dot man told me if number is not visible, you may as well take a can of spray paint and paint STOP ME on the door of truck. make sure trailer looks good no license plate dangling from baling wire. make sure lights are good as well as break- away control. chains/binders must be dot approved also good luck |
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| Illinois farm plates are good in surrounding states. |
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North Central Illinois | No DOT number, as I've been told that it's not needed on a farm pickup in state. Haven't been stopped for it in all my years driving.
Every time I try to read the rules, I leave more confused than I started. If I value my time very highly, I sometimes figure I will be better off saving $ in a "ticket fund" than spend the time to figure out all of the complex rules and exemptions. I might be better off just finding a for hire truck to haul the item. |
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Pontiac, IL. | Not wanting to start an argument, cause I am NOT sure, but I didn't think ALL states bordering IL. acknowledged IL. Farm plates. |
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Pilot Grove, Missouri | Not sure which direction you're going, but I have been told. MO farm tags are not recognized in IL, so my thoughts would be that IL farm tags are probably not recognized in MO. Patrick |
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Southern Pa. | Blusteryknollfarm - 1/15/2018 23:03
No DOT number, as I've been told that it's not needed on a farm pickup in state. Haven't been stopped for it in all my years driving.
Every time I try to read the rules, I leave more confused than I started. If I value my time very highly, I sometimes figure I will be better off saving $ in a "ticket fund" than spend the time to figure out all of the complex rules and exemptions. I might be better off just finding a for hire truck to haul the item.
Like Boak farms said, in Pa you need a DOT number, even if all you do is drive locally on a farm license. I would think that would be a federal law, and not vary from one state to another, but IDK. We can drive into most of the nearby neighbouring states on a farm license, but not into Virginia. So you should check on that for your situation. |
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Northwest Iowa | I hauled with my pickup and trailer a backhoe and skid loader from ia to az no trouble. Iowa plates. |
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Chebanse, IL..... | I hope you get the answer you need. But, we've all been reading posts like yours for years. Even before DOT numbers. Blusteryknollfarms, the question you ask is almost exactly duplicated 100 times per year here. Usually Farm tags on something going to another state quickly, just to pick up something that has to do with yours or our farm. You will get 50 different answers for your question and of course you'll get responses here from disgruntled professional haulers suggesting you should just pay them & forget about picking up your own XXXX and wanting to bring it home. Forget the fact you haven't even seen what you want to pick up yet.
Why is there no good and final place to get a clear answer, in writing, something that can be produced as "evidence" that you are OK if stopped? Why is it arguable? Even if the DOT folks are wrong, it's quite an inconvenience if they make you (or me) park it & unload. You should just be able to produce evidence that your setup is approved & legal. Probably the best overall answer that I know of & one that's often repeated here......haul your product on Sunday & don't worry about it, just go. Don't stop @ scales on Sunday...just go.
This is an OK deal we have in the USA with the 50 independent states, but driving on a federal highway in PA should be no different than driving on a federal highway in IA. |
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SW Michigan | Just go. As long as things look good your good to go. Chain it down good. Make sure it's legal width, height, etc.. Don't stop at the scales or figure a way around. Remember if you get stopped for blowing a scale your the dumbest farmer he's ever met. However having said that we've hauled lots of things all over the United States with the 5th wheel and single wheel one ton pickup and have only ever been pulled over once coming out of Minnesota with a 13 shank chisel plow on. She thought we were a tad bit wide. But let us go as long as we got off the freeway and made us put a slow moving vehicle sign on the back. Soon as we were out of Minnesota we got back on freeway and hauled a$$. |
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| Spot on Ron ! I believe it is because the more obtuse and complex the laws can be written means there can be various interpretations of said laws so there is a much easier avenue to generate fines, fees and income from said laws. Nice little spiral bound booklet is being published by Ohio Farm Bureau. Call your local office to get one. It's meant to be a glovebox reference guide. It's good as it gives the Federal law, state law, and farm facts with references to actual sections of Ohio Revised code.
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Salina, Kansas | I cannot comment on the rules for you. Only Kansas. We were at an informational meeting with the chief Kansas regulatory person. He told us that with a KS tag were okay the 150 miles into a surrounding state BUT if the door of the pickup had a GVW of 10001 lbs or greater that it needed a DOT number to cross the state line. Techniquely it also need a UCR permit as well but he didn't seem as concerned about that but the DOT number was stressed. Also the 150 miles is statute miles so that is about 172 air miles. |
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Chebanse, IL..... | Les
How are statute and air miles different? We use statute miles often in aviation. However, they also use nautical miles, based on the ticks of a compass at the equator.
I know that statute miles are based on 5280 feet.
Are you meaning "as the crow flies" miles vs road miles? I've always thought the 150 mis restriction was based on "as the crow flies" miles, or just drawing a 150 mi circle from your base point, or from the state line crossing point. |
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Central ND | Live a little on the edge. Hook on and go. When they stop you, plead farmer logic and say you didnt know, no one could tell you for sure. |
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Southern Pa. | Ron..NE ILL..10/48 - 1/16/2018 08:03
Les
How are statute and air miles different? We use statute miles often in aviation. However, they also use nautical miles, based on the ticks of a compass at the equator.
I know that statute miles are based on 5280 feet.
Are you meaning "as the crow flies" miles vs road miles? I've always thought the 150 mis restriction was based on "as the crow flies" miles, or just drawing a 150 mi circle from your base point, or from the state line crossing point.
Yea, He's talking about 150 "air" (as the crow flies) miles, which is correct. |
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Central IL | Mine have been nearly in all the states and Canada, plus tickets for speeding out of state with no issues lol
Edited by wade garrett 1/16/2018 07:24
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Ludington/Manistee MI area | Bigboyfloyd - 1/16/2018 07:09
Just go. As long as things look good your good to go. Chain it down good. Make sure it's legal width, height, etc.. Don't stop at the scales or figure a way around. Remember if you get stopped for blowing a scale your the dumbest farmer he's ever met. However having said that we've hauled lots of things all over the United States with the 5th wheel and single wheel one ton pickup and have only ever been pulled over once coming out of Minnesota with a 13 shank chisel plow on. She thought we were a tad bit wide. But let us go as long as we got off the freeway and made us put a slow moving vehicle sign on the back. Soon as we were out of Minnesota we got back on freeway and hauled a$$.
I agree my pickup has been to Kansas on farm plates before. Some folks on here worry way too much. If possible go on Sunday morning. |
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SW MN | Yes they have a nice book put together, and Yes I'm a Member for 20 years, currently on local board. We can't change laws by Bitching on the web. But we can by joining together and becoming a larger Voice. |
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| Hauled grain to Stl. Mo. many times with farm plates, no issue with dot. I was told they had a reciprocal agreement. |
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Salina, Kansas | I am not sure off the top of my head the differences, It looks like I switched which miles in my head since a quick conversion makes 150 nautical miles about 172. I do know that the DOT guy said it was about 172 normal miles and that yes, it is as the crow flies. They had an inforcment officer there as well and he said that his onboard computer was set up to immediately put a circle that size around your base and let him know right away if you were inside the circle. The one good thing is that as long as we are inside the state of KS it really doesn't matter since we are allowed outside the circle 8 times in a 30 period making the 150 miles inside the state less of an issue.
Edited by Les NCKS 1/16/2018 08:25
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scmn | 1) Vehicle must meet the definition of "covered farm vehicle" (CFV) (49 CFR 390.5 Definitions) Covered farm vehicle - (1) Means a straight truck or articulated vehicle - (i) Registered in a State with a license plate or other designation issued by the State of registration that allows law enforcement officials to identify it as a farm vehicle; (ii) Operated by the owner or operator of a farm or ranch, or an employee or family member of a an owner or operator of a farm or ranch; (iii) Used to transport agricultural commodities, livestock, machinery or supplies to or from a farm or ranch; and (iv) Not used in for-hire motor carrier operations; however, for-hire motor carrier operations do not include the operation of a vehicle meeting the requirements of paragraphs (1)(i) through (iii) of this definition by a tenant pursuant to a crop share farm leaseagreement to transport the landlord's portion of the crops under that agreement. (2) Meeting the requirements of paragraphs (1)(i) through (iv) of this definition: (i) With a gross vehicle weight or gross vehicle weight rating, whichever is greater, of 26,001 pounds or less may utilize the exemptions in § 390.39 anywhere in the United States; or (ii) With a gross vehicle weight or gross vehicle weight rating, whichever is greater, of more than 26,001 pounds may utilize the exemptions in § 390.39 anywhere in the State of registration or across State lines within 150 air miles of the farm or ranch with respect to which the vehicle is being operated. 2) Exemptions § 390.39 Exemptions for “covered farm vehicles.” (a)Federal requirements. A covered farm vehicle, as defined in § 390.5, including the individual operating that vehicle, is exempt from the following: (1) Any requirement relating to commercial driver's licenses in 49 CFR Part 383 or controlled substances and alcohol use and testing in49 CFR Part 382; (2) Any requirement in 49 CFR Part 391, Subpart E, Physical Qualifications and Examinations. (3) Any requirement in 49 CFR Part 395, Hours of Service of Drivers. (4) Any requirement in 49 CFR Part 396, Inspection, Repair, and Maintenance. (b)State requirements - (1)In general. Federal transportation funding to a State may not be terminated, limited, or otherwise interfered with as a result of theState exempting a covered farm vehicle, including the individual operating that vehicle, from - (i) A requirement described in paragraph (a) of this section; or (ii) Any other minimum standard provided by a State relating to the operation of that vehicle. (2)Exception. Paragraph (b)(1) of this section does not apply with respect to a covered farm vehicle transporting hazardous materialsthat require a placard. (c)Other exemptions and exceptions. The exemptions in paragraphs (a) and (b) of this section are in addition to, not in place of, the agricultural exemptions and exceptions in §§ 383.3(d)(1), 383.3(e), 383.3(f), 391.2(a), 391.2(b), 391.2(c), 391.67, 395.1(e)(1),395.1(e)(2), 395.1(h), 395.1(i), and 395.1(k) of this chapter. Motor carriers and drivers may utilize any combination of these exemptions and exceptions, providing they comply fully with each separate exemption and exception. Since your GVWR is under 26,000 you may use the exemptions anywhere in the US (see part 2 section i); you are will be exempt from medical card, hours of service (HOS), Vehicle Inspection, Repair, and Maintenance Records (you are not required to maintain these for your DOT number, still a good ideal to keep vehicle maintained/repaired to pass an inspection which they will to do if something is wrong with the vehicle).
3 ) Since you are now an interstate motor carrier you will need: - DOT number (must be displayed on power unit)
- UCR (Unified Carrier Registration paid for current year)
- Trip and fuel permits as required by each state you travel through (unless you run Apportioned plates and IFTA)
1 and 2 are right out of the law. Hard for a DOT officer to argue with what is written. Several of the exemptions were created as a part of MAP-21. |
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scmn | The radius of 150 air miles is correct.
However, FMCSA states:
The term “air mile” is internationally defined as a “nautical mile” which is equivalent to 6,076 feet or 1,852 meters. Thus, the 100 air miles are equivalent to 115.08 statute miles or 185.2 kilometers.
See question 12
https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/title49/part/395
Thus making 150 air miles equal to 911,400 ft or 172.6136 statute miles. (statute mile is equal to 5280ft and is the unit of measure for land distances.
Edited by MiradaAcres 1/16/2018 09:36
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E.Central MN | Wow, our country needs investment in roads and bridges and they spent money on a computer app to draw a circle around someone's base? I wonder what that little program cost the tax payers? |
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| Pete MN
Wow, our country needs investment in roads and bridges and they spent money on a computer app to draw a circle around someone's base? I wonder what that little program cost the tax payers?
its a free website
Edited by troop1750 1/16/2018 12:03
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North Central Illinois | Tags are for 12k lbs on the truck and 14k on the trailer. But the door jamb sticker on the truck is 10k and the trailer is 20k.
No problem keeping loaded weight under 26k.
Looks like it'd need a DOT number, UCR, and a fuel permit if I am reading this right. |
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North Central Illinois | Should I worry about an audit if I write the check out of a personal checking account? Just giving you a hard time, since you thought I should worry about that. |
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Chebanse, IL..... | But, keep in mind you might butt heads w/folks that ARE spokesmen for the FB. I've been a member over 20 yrs (not CC customer either) and I have found that fact. If you don't like the present FB policy, someone in the FB will tell you how long it took to get what they have now & you really shouldn't be messing it up.
I'm a FB supporter, but just because people can be for or against something, doesn't mean you'll get FB backing. But, I'll continue sending our dues.
I once thought it was not right that non-plated farm vehicles (wagons) in IL were singled out as not being implements of husbandry & had weight limits per axle. That didn't go so well w/FB spokesmen. YOu learn where the term "felt like the Lone Ranger" came from. |
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America. | Get in it and drive. You won't get a straight answer and even if you get every government official to say its OK you might just run into super pig that has been bullied once in third grade and you are screwed anyway. |
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Ludington/Manistee MI area | Blusteryknollfarm - 1/16/2018 13:56
Should I worry about an audit if I write the check out of a personal checking account? Just giving you a hard time, since you thought I should worry about that.
This sites proof we all worry about different things. |
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Montana | I hired a Dealer trucker from Dillon Montana to pull a Morris Air Seeder 200 miles to me and it was the best money I ever spent. I pulled a sprayer with my pickup and ran with him and I had all kinds of farmer exemption but he had experience and it was well worth it. Liability is a big issue for us as farmers but we can get by with a lot. DOT gave me pretty much a free run to pull a huge Wishek Disk with my Kenworth Truck with a pintle and twenty foot box. It was slow and we had signs and lights and no problem but it was stressful. The Disk pulling was over 350 miles from Victor Montana Through Missoula To Big Timber Going through Missoula was frightening as cars want to get around and ahead of you. |
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Pilot Grove, Missouri | I am a FB member also. The biggest problem with FB anymore is they are more worried about being an Insurance company than a farm advocasy group. Patrick |
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Central Illinois | I had to bail out a neighbor a year ago . He was running a 1 ton dually and a tandem dual trailer. LEO nailed him for no CDL based on the capacity of of the combo not the actual loaded weight. He has since gone back to a 3/4 ton SRW truck and a trailer with single wheels to stay under the 26001 GVW. |
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scmn | They will go by GVWR on the sticker. You will be over the 26,001 limit. You will be legal up to 172 miles (150 air miles). After that you will need CDL, medical card, inspections, drug & alcohol testing, etc (everything commercial trucker will need since you GCWR will be over 26,001#) |
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| Truck on but make sure everything is working and looks good with truck and trailer.
Years ago I traveled the east coast with F-250 and 30ft gooseneck from Canada to Florida working ag machinery never had a problem till I pulled in to state line weigh stations as I thought I was supposed to do when I first started. This guy working scales was a jerk and showing his authority for non sense rules. I pulled out of weigh station took the paperwork to the company I was working for got some stiker that was useless and never checked for , it was just something to get more money in to the government system for them to blow away.
I never pulled into weigh station after that day just cruised on by and traveled a 102000 miles crossing every state east of the water channel referred to as the Mississippi from Canada to Florida over a 2 year period and never had a problem or was ever run down for not pulling into state line weigh stations.
In last couple years I have traveled across stateline as farmer, No DOT number, to do just as you are having to do and have had no problems.
As a lawyer told me one time on a legal situation where I was just as you trying to make sure I was doing things legally when I was done wrong by land owner and what I was going to do was against the case law. He stated it's like this , you were wrongfully treated yet law states you can't do this or that in your defense. Go do what you have to do protect your best interest/ equipment and if anything happens act like you didn't know it was against the law. Then he stated " It's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission".
Let the wheels roll , drive safely, if your over width , over hang tie some bright ribbon on the load, SMV sign, magnetic light or whatever is handy to show you are trying to do the best you can in a difficult situation. Your a farmer in a crisis if you get stopped.
Keeping your trust and faith in GOD he will see you through your journey he certainly has me.
Edited by SweetHomeAlabama 1/21/2018 00:51
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Chebanse, IL..... | Steve
You bailed him out because he was in jail? For no CDL? Was there any other things that might've caused him to be jailed? |
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Central Illinois | Sorry, bad use of words. They put him out of service. I do not know if they issued any citations or fines before I arrived. The truck / trailer held in place till some one with proper license & medical card arrived to move them. They were kind enough to follow us to the district border for our own safety I guess. |
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Southern Pa. | steve c-il - 1/21/2018 13:50
Sorry, bad use of words. They put him out of service. I do not know if they issued any citations or fines before I arrived. The truck / trailer held in place till some one with proper license & medical card arrived to move them. They were kind enough to follow us to the district border for our own safety I guess.
I've never heard of being put out of service without fines. It could happen, but highly unlikely. |
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Traveling out of state on farm tags?
