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SC Wisconsin | So I've been planning on a new baler for a while now, asked on here some and got a few opinions. I've been running dad's gehl 1400 he bought new in 1976 as my dry hay baler, hiring one neighbor to make 4x4 baleage bales from sorghum sudangrass, and hiring another to bale 5x6 straw. I know I want a 4x6 silage baler to cover all the different things I'll bale (maybe even some cornstalks next year) and ive narrowed it down to a Kuhn 2290 or the new Holland roll belt 460. I like the feeding system on the Kuhn, but there aren't many around and I have heard a few issues of bearing failure and starter rolls breaking. I know the BR series of new hollands had a lot of issues, but they seem to be good baler with the roll belt. I ha e heard of issues with the older ones plugging in the pickup with heavy or wet stuff, but I'm hoping a silage special will not have that issue. Dealers are fairly close with both.
As far as Vermeer or Deere, Deere is just a little too pricey for me and idont understand why you would put net on the back. There is very little Vermeer around here so dealer support is lacking and the pickup doesn't seem wide enough to bale 100 bushel wheat windrows out of a combine with a 30'+ plus head.
I will be buying new, and also intend on buying a carted wheel rake ( either the speedrake from kuhn or the procart from new Holland) at the same time, so I'm hoping that will help me get a little bit better of a deal. Sorry for the novel, just looking for opinions on the 2 as I plan to start getting prices soon. |
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NEMO | I'll give you an answer you don't want, so take it for what it's worth. You don't have to have a silage special baler, can't even start to imagine all the baleage baled here with plain 567-569 Deeres, no problems ever. That way you have the full size baler, we just step the diameter down to 54 give or take. We've baled everything under the sun from grass to sudan, no problems. Personally, I'd stick with a Deere or Vermeer,they will come nearer to holding there value long term. Wrap on the back sure is convenient, not sure I understand your point. As to the rake, we are in agreement. I studied the Kuhn's before I bought. We were traveling, and I saw a guy raking with a 300 series Kuhn. Stopped and talked to him, he said it was the best rake he'd ever had, and it sounded like he traded a lot. I have one and am very happy |
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SC Wisconsin | The reason being for not getting a full 5x6 baler is that my skid loader isn't real big, so even if I only make bales 4' in diameter I don't know if I could pick them up. I had to get a little creative loading some 4'x4.5' sudangrass bales last year when it wouldn't dry down with rain on the way, baled them over 70% moisture and they were HEAVY! I feed it in bale rings too so they wasted a lot one year when I had a guy bale it that did not have a cutter in his baler. I definitely prefer the silage special for this reason.
As far as the net being in the back, I guess you could call me a control freak as I like to be able to see what is going on with everything all the time, so it would drive me nuts not being able to watch it . Call me crazy, it's just a personal preference of mine. |
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ok | For what your wanting to do a new vermeer silage baler is what you want. There's no comparison when doing a multitude of crop conditions like you describe. |
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Princeton,IN | Stick a camera on it... |
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swmn | Try lifting a roll of net wrap across the front of a baler and you will understand why it's in the back of a Deere. I understand wanting a 4x6 baler with a skid steer. They even get heavy when wet. I have a 469 and have good luck but I try not to do silage bales. |
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NEMO | Monitor tells you all you need to know,,,if the net messes up at all it will tell you |
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SC Wisconsin | I looked at their 604 pro a little, but from what I gather the pickup is only 73" or maybe less? They look like a heck of a baler, but the closest dealer is over an hour away while the Kuhn and new Holland are 20-30 minutes, not that it's a huge
deal but I rarely see a Vermeer around, all new Holland and Deere. I was running the baler yesterday doing straw and the extrasweep (83"?) on the BR 7090 that I rent/ hire to bale straw with is a perfect fit for the windrow behind the combine. Not sure it would work being 10" narrower? |
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SC Wisconsin | Ok, so maybe I'm just coming up with excuses now, but seeing as how I will be buying new and keeping for a long time, I think my other options are a little more affordable. |
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Sioux County, NWIA | Not big deal to load net on a New Holland, and I go through net by the pallet. And I much rather have the net on the front of the baler, especially when it its time to change net at night when its 25 degrees out and blowing 30 mph.
Edited by Gearclash 8/10/2017 19:16
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SC Wisconsin | I'm the same way, I think it's pretty dang easy to change them on the front, plus being able to watch it if it is having issues (which will inevitably happen as the baler gets older, regardless of color) |
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S.E. Iowa | My son had a Vermeer M and it was a lemon. They sent factory reps and do you think it would mess up? No way, they were there for 3 hours. They left and then it started he baled something like 80 bales and by the time it was all said and done there was 15 bales messed up. Two or three didn't wrap at all and the rest had netting tore. Traded it for a Massey and it makes better bales than the M ever did and has plugged up a handful of times. Really like it and he pulls it with a 1486 great. |
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SE Nebraska | Was it an early M? Heard problems with the first year or two. I have an 09 which was the last year made. Other than a couple bearings it's been trouble free and never plugged it once. Have heard some good things about the new Masseys. Back to the original question, mostly Vermeer and Deere around here. |
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Southwest Missouri | We've always run Vermeer here and been pleased,they have their issues just like any other color. Dealer support and nearby are big to me plus I really like what new holland has done with their balers on roll belt series good machine IMO,take care of her and you will be happy. |
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Amherst WI | Neighbor/custom guy has a Kuhn 4x6. The capacity is amazing and the bales are tighter than hell. They make my L565 dance pretty good with corn stalk bales. I think there is more stalks in those Kuhn bales as a 5x6 from some others. |
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Fort Recovery. Ohio | Stick with Deere or Vermeer? Your comment about the net wrap on the back is a head scratcher, were else would you put it? On the front like NH, now that is a dumb place too put it! |
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SC Wisconsin | Well new Holland, Vermeer, and Kuhn all have it on the front, Deere being the one on the rear so I don't think it being on the front can be all that bad. To each their own, I have ran and changed net on the new hollands and didn't find it difficult. Just my preference is all. |
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NW Oklahoma | Vermeer Super M is in the rear also. Don't know about their other models. |
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SC Wisconsin | I believe the 604 pro that I was looking at had it in the front, but I may be mistaken. |
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SE wisconsin | Go to Hennessy's in dodgevile and buy a new holland 450. Best thing we have done in a while. New holland might not be the best baler in some people's opinion but if your buying new does the color really matter. Money talks I guarantee you won't beat the price or service from any other dealer, if you tell them you want a rake you will get a better deal packaging them together. |
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Lineville iowa | We put up a fair amount of hay from really nice alfalfa to overgrown pasture with cedar trees. All I know is a N vermeer will bale crap that will make a goat puke with very little maintenance. I bale side by side with Deere quite a bit not much difference between the bales . My preference is Vermeer because I think they are tougher. I'm died in the wool red and Deere would be second.
Edited by Pigsncows 8/10/2017 22:58
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ND | Get a vermeer or a JD
Then you will have a good baler. |
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| we bought a new kuhn 2160 this year. impressive baler. haven't used it in stalks yet but it really takes hay as fast as you want. |
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| I went Kuhn 2160 with cutter and love it. Plug it with heavy wet knot up stuff no problem drop the knife floor touch of a button pto back on away you go. We ran deers before and they would take it. Wet Sudan corn stalks wet alfalfa dry grass all good really tight bales so if your thinking marginally moisture dry hay better have an acid applicator there tight on air in them and be prepared to have skinny bale spikes you won't stab them with fat ones.What its worth I baled along side my buddy same field swaths next to each other his John Deere 568 started same spot Kuhn went farther on the swath both making 60" bales Kuhn bale outweighed on to the scales. Transporting 4' bales is nice as well. |
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Wisconsin | My kuhn 2160 has been awesome. One of my customers thought he was going to be way short on feed after I bought it. It was packing that much more feed that he went from 2 bales to 1 and a quarter bales a day. 5400 bales so far no issues not user induced. |
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North Carolina | Doesn't tell you when it wraps around the rubber roller on the deere NH doesn't either but you sure cut it off with knife faster and dont have to take the roll of net out to do it |
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North Carolina | If you have support for NH that would be the way to go in my opinion I have 2 of them and a deere also 7060 ss 460 ss and 458 ss. The NH are virtually trouble free on the rare occacsion I do have trouble it's always the net system on the deere wrapping around ruber roller, blockage in net track ,actuator motor for net not connecting The only drivetrain gremlins we have had with the deere was bearings in the pickup cam track they are weak and way to small for heavy haylage and waded a roller
chain that broke
NH balers I have only wrapped the net around one of the sledge rollers but the reason that happened was I baled through a wet spot and picked up mud and it stuck to the sledge roller and the net stuck in the mud NH has way heavier bearings and drive chains than the deere and are greesable. The deere seems to be a little easier to pull than the NH. But 100 hp tractor is not picky. Which ever tractor is available gets hooked pull them all with 85 hp ferguson also You might look at the CIH they are the same as NH but I looked at one last week and the pick up has some good looking adjustment capability that the NH doesn't. Going to trade deere off next year I will look at CIH really hard 10000 on deere and 7060 NH |
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NW IL | Sounds like you have done your research. To answer your question, I'll throw my hat into the KUHN ring. Reason one: those round balers are designed for wet crop conditions. Reason two: dealer and corporate support nearby. North America headquarters in Brodhead should mean prompt service when issues arrive. |
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SC Wisconsin | Thanks everyone for the opinions. I plan on going to dairy expo this year so hopefully both brands are there and I can compare them "side by side" so to speak. It sounds like I can't really go wrong with either one, I'm sure they can both out bale my current baler |
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