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Ont, Can | What are the good and the bad of this engine in an agricultural tractor application. Worth considering or walk(or run) away fast? | ||
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Sunburst Montana | Best cummins engine we ever had. Would pull like a locomotive in our Versatile 950. What tractor is it in? | ||
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DaleD2![]() |
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Ont, Can | MF4840 | ||
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Northern California | Non turbo with a 5" straight can be heard for about 4 miles. Was a good motor for me. | ||
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E. CO, exactly half way between NE and OK | I would stay with an in line six. | ||
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The 'good' is they did quite well when operated properly. They can sometimes be bought cheap, just because of some 'bad' rumors. Nine-oh-nothing. for example. HP is just a function of torque and rpm... so when you throttle back and gear up to 'save' fuel, they tend to lug down a little faster in tough spots. V-8's are totally different animals than straight 6s. I've got 2 903's, and several perky 540's. It's not difficult to 'learn' the differences, and operate accordingly. They run about 300 less ft. lbs of torque than say a lower rpm'd 855. But when they are 'matched' to the proper drive ratio, your 4840, my 4880, for example, the lower torque is not really missed. The 'bad'.. is Cummins support. ZERO. It is deemed 'obsolete'. And, not every shop is still equipped to do PT pump service. Aftermarket is even dwindling, Interstate-Mcbee pretty much is all that is left. Master kits, gaskets, water pump kits, oil cooler orings. 'still available'. Injectors, injector pump service, turbo replacement; still good. I just rebuilt 2 of mine last summer/fall. Interstate McBee out of frame kit, water pump kit.. had the PT pump freshened up, rebuilt injectors.. and new, not rebuilt turbo for. $2350 for the master kit, $125 for the waterpump kit, 50 bucks for new thermostats, My heads were already done from a previous freshening, but that cost me about 900 for new valves, milling, and new cup install. OH, valves are still aftermarket. Hard parts such as gears, oil pumps, crankshafts, cam, con rods.. exhaust manifolds.. hit and miss.. some vigorous searching may find some of this stuff packed away in some warehouse somewhere. It's not going to be cheap. My advice, is to snag a 'spare' engine, just to have on hand. Last one I got came from a burnt 4880, and got it for about 850. I'm going to take a wild swing on the durability of aftermarket parts, but I'm hoping I can get 5000 hours on a rebuild. All in all, it's a simple, dumb, totally mechanical engine. With a little research, anyone can work on them, and run the overhead just as well as any 'newbie' technician. (believe me, most older guys who cut their teeth on these engines are either dead, or permanently fishing) For NOW, I have no problem relying on my 903's as my principal horse. Edit, I'd be more concerned on parts availability on the TRACTOR.. before finding parts for the 903. Agco also has turned their back on the 4000 series tractors. ( most recent for me is the fact all the gears in the axles are no longer available.) ring and pinion, final drives, stub shafts....NLA. Edited by rancherman 6/12/2017 12:50 | |||
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DB Tracks![]() |
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Camp Douglas Wi. 40miles nw of wi. dells | The bad; no torque, when it lugs down you can't grab another gear fast enough. The good; cheap power, keep rpm,s up has good power. Nothing makes sweeter music from diesel fuel. We had 320 Steiger, sold it to a good neighbor just so we could still listen to it. Dan Edited by DB Tracks 6/12/2017 13:29 | ||
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School Of Hard Knock![]() |
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Central ND | Good when they work, not so good when they dont.I never ever had one but...people do use them. I guess I always wanted to steer clear of them. | ||
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ac45![]() |
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Engine is still used in military Bradley fighting vehicle at 600hp. So there still has to be parts out there. | |||
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Steiger Man![]() |
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Sunburst Montana | Disagree with that completey. Ours would out lug any 855 we ever owned. Set the throttle at 2,200 rpms and it would go up and down our hills like they weren't there. | ||
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Jewell County KS | DB Tracks - 6/12/2017 12:27 The bad; no torque, when it lugs down you can't grab another gear fast enough. The good; cheap power, keep rpm,s up has good power. Nothing makes sweeter music from diesel fuel. We had 320 Steiger, sold it to a good neighbor just so we could still listen to it. Dan The MF will have a 3spd powershift each gear which will help a bunch. I never had any complaint about lack of torque in ours. You could let the clutch out at idle with implement in the ground and it would go unlike the turbo 6 cylinders. | ||
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Camp Douglas Wi. 40miles nw of wi. dells | Our 320 at 2200 rpm,s would run along just fine until got in a tough spot and lugged below 2000 rpm, then it would fall fast, most of been set different then yours. We had 325 with 3406 at the same time, it would lugged down to 1500 rpm or lower and bounce right back. Dan | ||
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SW MN | XXX | ||
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rancherman![]() |
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DB Tracks - 6/12/2017 17:47 Our 320 at 2200 rpm,s would run along just fine until got in a tough spot and lugged below 2000 rpm, then it would fall fast, most of been set different then yours. We had 325 with 3406 at the same time, it would lugged down to 1500 rpm or lower and bounce right back. Dan That's the benefit of having one in a MF 4000 series tractor. Ya got 3 speed power shift, and I normally run in 2nd low, and in intermediate on the multipower. . @ 2400 rpm, I'm running 5.5-5.6 pulling the disk, pulling down 1 gear gets me to 5.0.. I haven't had a tough spot yet that required further shifting. When it's that tough, I'll run 1st high and max out the powershift to high... usually 4.5-4.6 I have to admit, I'm running a little hotter tune than original. When I bought it 10 years ago, it was set for 430hp. I dialed it back to 360, and I have no worries about exhaust temps anymore. I could routinely hit 1250-1300.. now I can't get it over 1100. (pre turbo temp) I usually set the throttle for about 2400-2450 no load, and most of the time it's cruising along at 2200-2250 under load. | |||
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rancherman![]() |
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I agree. The tooling for the 903 was moved to England a few years ago.. and its still being produced for the military in small batches.
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rancherman![]() |
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I used to think that was BS, about pulling out of the hole at idle.. until I bought my first one 10 years ago. I still scratch my head on how it's able to do it! I still snicker to myself when I remember as a kid trying to get a JD 8640 rolling in high range.. next to impossible w/o killing the engine. And this was just to road it without anything attached. | |||
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southeast Washington | Great engine one with over 21000 and one with 14000 plus. Take care of the antifreeze run the over head max rpm 2300 . They will pull as well as any peek torque is 1800 RPM just have to think different. Guys try to run at 2600 and yes the RPMS will fall until you get close to peek torque. Parts are getting harder to get for both the tractor and engine. | ||
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Hastings, Florida | I had one in an over the road Kenworth many years ago, loved the exhaust sound. It was a strong engine, only problem was with the heads. Edited by Jbatmick 6/12/2017 20:25 | ||
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arcticcatfarmer![]() |
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Tip of the Thumb of Michigan | We had a 4840. Put 10,000 hours on it. I would take off at full load from and idle. I have no idea either how. Part of it has to be that without the turbo it was probably at it's lowest power setting for the displacement. 265 hp out of that beast wasn't pushing it much. The 8870 that replaced it requires 1500rpm to handle any load at take off. | ||
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GM Guy![]() |
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NW KS/ SC ID | I know of a guy that owns a handful of them, and gets along great with them. He says dont get them hot and run the overhead often, and they will treat you well. The 4880 MF on grain cart has a turboed 903, and its turned to 400+ HP, and will see north of 2800 RPM on occasion. It has never given any problems and can get the 1000 bushel Brent Avalanche to 20+ MPH out in the field. I would say anyone that says no torque has never driven one. That thing will launch in any gear, no matter the load. what does a 4wd tractor with a full 1000 bushel cart weigh? Over 100K? He also has a KW truck with one factory installed, and hooked to a 13 speed. It will flat go, it will outrun the 400 hp 855s. And that is not even intercooled like the 855s are. He finds all the parts he needs, IDK where, but I know the internet is a well used tool. He has bought most of them sick, but once repaired he has not ever been in them again, so IMO that speaks volumes on what a good maintenance program will do for one. | ||
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tmm179![]() |
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You left out the part about fuel consumption. I would list that under 'bad'. | |||
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ronm![]() |
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Fruita CO | Sonny Pruitt ran one... :) | ||
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rancherman![]() |
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not sure what you are talking about. I deep disk with a sunflower 1434 36 foot, and my fuel rate is 1 gallon per acre. What's the problem? | |||
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Jbatmick![]() |
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Hastings, Florida | I did not know that. If he used it, that is good enough for me. | ||
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