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CMN | Hello we recently bought a 1255 12 row case in planter and tried the free 10 day accustat unlock which was a joke compared to the wave vision sensors and 20/20 on our previous planter! Just wondering if we put the 20/20 in with wave vision tubes how would the 20/20 read our perscriptions to show population maps being we use the pro 700 to control the hyd drive system? Hope I'm making sense thanks |
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n.c.iowa | What didn't you like about the accustat? |
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CMN | Well the optical sensors are very unaccurate in dusty conditions I was goin crazy stoping every round taking meters apart cause it would say my avg singlation was anywhere from 90 to 96%! I took every tube out and cleaned the sensors which made no difference after diggin up seed for half a day I came to the conclusion my planter was planting fine and the sensors are giving false readings. Later that evening I notill planted a field of fall killed alfalfa sod and my avg hung around 98-99% the whole time because there was no dust! The dealer even told me when I had them get me the unlock code for the free trial that not many guys like it. After this I know I will not b paying the $1500 unlock to keep accustat. We had the 20/20 with wave vision sensors on our last planter and never had a field plant under 99% |
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Hennepin, IL | What you are wanting to do will work fine. You will disable all of the seed tube sensors in the 700, but it will still control the hydraulic drives. The 20/20 will strictly make a population map of the average of the last 300 seeds. Only downside is your population map won't be as pretty as it would if the 20/20 was controlling population because of this averaging. |
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CMN | Thanks for the info Matt I really liked the field view option we had on the 20/20 also. We could drop pins certain spots in a field grab the iPad through out the summer and find the spot in the field to watch what ever the trial was we were testing! What would it take to make the 20/20 control the hyd drive? Is it worth the cost? Thanks
Edited by Maggies 5/22/2017 09:04
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Hennepin, IL | You'd be somewhere in the ballpark of $2000 for a row flow kit and the harnessing you'd need as long as you're not running clutches. Clutches will add some expense, but that's just harnessing so it wouldn't add a lot. As far as worth it, that's strictly up to you. In the grand scheme of things, it really won't do anything different than your 700, just make things a little simpler. I prefer the interface of the 20/20 for controlling seeding, but again that's just a preference.
Edit: The one thing that is nice about having the 20/20 controlling the planter is you won't get the alarms when sections are shut off. When the 700 shuts sections off, even just half the planter, the 20/20 will think it quit planting and sound off the alarm the entire time. Annoying? A little. Worth it? Again that's up to you.
Edited by AVP_Matt 5/22/2017 09:11
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CMN | Ok yes we do have electric clutches the planter it has the cable drive system on it |
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| I have a 1250 planter that runs the 20/20 with RowFlow to control clutches and has Precision Planting's hydraulic drive motors. It works very well and is very accurate. PP's tech support pages tell you how to connect CIH motors to the 20/20, but they warn you that it might not work very well.
I have just the plain old DJ sensors and really have not noticed a problem with dust and false readings. I'm not sure if you can use Wave Vision with CIH meters. |
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SA | sensors work independently from the meters... |
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CMN | my pp dealer has a bracket they use to mount the wave vision tube on the ih meter but u have to use the tubes for a Deere. Not sure y these sensors r giving such false readings they r the DJ high speed accustat sensor if that differs from the regular sensor they use?? I did hear that the 20/20 can read the sensors more accurately than the pro 700 how true that is I'm not sure? I know the wave vision use radio waves to measure seed instead of inferred light beams, so dust has no effect on them. |
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NE SoDak | Can you put wave vision sensors on and have 700 give the reading? We have accustat and it's a joke I agree. I will not put a 20/20 in my cab either |
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CMN | That would b awesome if it would read them cause I would like to use just one monitor! |
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n.c.iowa | Maggies you have some planting to do yet? |
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CMN | Just 40 acre of soybeans |
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n.c.iowa | Email if you would. I'd like to see you try something I may or may not have stumbled upon. |
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Southwest Illinois | We did the same thing. When we got our to the field I was flipping out due to the poor singulation the 20/20 would show. After the corn came up we were pleased with spacing and stands which confirmed my suspicions with the sensors. Late in the spring I did replace 2 rows of the accustat sensors with Dickey John high rate sensors. They will at times be succeptable in dusty conditions, but far better than the accustat. This year I replaced all the accustat sensors and the change in the readout was incredible. The vision sensors would be ideal but the only person I talked to who did it was 1000 miles away so I was skeptical. With the high rate sensors we are routinely in the 99.2 to 99.5 for singulation. With the accustat sensors we would normally run in the 94% to 98%. |
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CMN | So y can't the pro 700 read the wave vision sensors? Can only a 20/20 read them or can others Deere/kinze read them? |
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Southwest Illinois | I think the Pro700 will read them. My understanding is the vision sensors don't work well in the Case seed tube. Someone makes an adapter but I have heard good and bad about. One PP dealer said they use the JD seed tube with the vision sensor in the Case planter. I didn't want to be a guinnea pig. |
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United States | Here's a few things ill add,
the 1255 is wired like all other planters now, no need to purchase the wiring harness to add the 20/20
the accusat sensors suck and CaseIH has phased them out.
The old dickyjohn sensors work better, the new hirate dickeyjohn even better
I tried the johndeere wavevision tubes on my 1255, didnt like them. i dont think they fit right
Precision Planting offers a small short wiring tee to read the senors and still allow the Pro700 to also see the sensors, like the john deere always has
Precision now offers a wavevison seed tube for vset equipped caseIH planters. there is an aftermarket kit to connect the cable drive to the vset
I still use the pro700 to control and case meters. Just havent ponied up to switch everything yet.
I would at least pony up and upgrade to dickyjohn hirate sensors, unless you may go vset soon, then wait to get the case wavevision for the vset. (big $ difference betweeen the two!)
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CMN | Great info bakes800 what part of the Deere wavevision tube didn't fit right for you and where did you get your bracket to mount the tubes in the planter? We had vset vdrive wavevision on our last planter which was a awesome set up, but we mainly did it for variable rate and better monitor because the planter was a chain drive with early riser monitor. I liked the vset meter but IH meter is a very close second and we have elc clutches and hyd drive on this planter so I really can't justify spending roughly $410 a row to get vset meter, corn bean plates Cable drive adaptor and mini hopper and then $150 for the wavevision tube on top of that. So thAts just where we're at just mainly lookin to b able to read seed acuratly.
Edited by Maggies 5/25/2017 08:02
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United States | I got the adapters from nielson ag. There are gaps between the seed tube and bottom of the meter. Ill find seed laying on top of the unit around the seed tube from time to time. That's may nor be a big deal, but my spacing and would vary from flat to steep sidehills. Not really sure why but they didnt seem to act right. I just blamed it on a seed tube not designed for the unit. The monitor drove me nuts. I have respect for Nileson Ag, just didnn't work for me.
We thinking the same thing. I would like the vsets and vdrive but everything is working ok the way it is right now. |
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CMN | So are u still using the wavevision tubes or did you put the dickey johns sensors in oem tubes? Is your 700 unlocked to accustat to show you singulation or just the bar graph? I would imagine if I put the wavevision on I'll have to unlock accustat to read singulation skips/multiples on 700 if I don't use the 20/20? |
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United States | I sold the tubes and using the old standard dickeyjohn sensors in oem tubes. The wavevison just works differently but send the same signal. It plugs right in. You do not have to unlock the Pro700 Accustat. I believe unlocking accustat in the Pro700 just shows sigulation and spacing numbers, not rally worth it. My Pro700 is not unlocked, I have the 20/20 wired in as well. Ive had the case sensors, dickeyjohn and wavevison(in Johndeere tubes) and my dickeyjohn setup is, for sure, the best. I would guess Dickeyjohn's new sensors would work good too. Although, the case sensors could count beans. The old Dickeyjohn and Wavevision cant see all the beans and Precision told they wouldn't. The case sensors count my beans accurately throwing 140k at 7 mph. |
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Pro 700 and 20/20 combo
