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| looking into getting a new corn planter, but i want to use dry starter fertilizer. any suggestions. the planter needs to be on 30" 16 rows
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Iowa | I'm not much help here since I've been thinking the same thing and do not have an answer. Does anyone make a dry fertilizer cart that would work well to pull behind a 16 or 24 row corn planter? I'm thinking something that would hold at least 5 tons and fill quickly. The old style boxes work fine if you are not trying to apply a high rate per acre and have a good filling system. It would seem some of the things used in strip tillage systems could be tweaked a little to work with a planter. |
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| Try Aulari. They are beased in Quebec. They make excellent products... the ALR2304 AM can hold 200 bu + of fert. I know they are working on a 16 row machine (stackfold). Or you can go for a XLP16 :D
Industrie Aulari inc.
620, rang Saint-Roch
Saint-Barnabé-Sud
Québec, Canada
J0H 1G0
phone : 450.792.2126
fax : 450.792.2127
e-mail : [email protected]
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EC MN - Hour North of 'The Cities' | Any price ranges that you know of? |
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Kansas | If you go with dry you will have to get a front fold as I don't belive anyone makes a stack/vertical fold with dry due to the weight. I'd go with White. |
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Iowa | Thanks. I saw those photos on another thread. It's an interesting configuration. I really like the pto running the air pump for the cart, but it looks like visibility of some of the planter units could be compromised. I also wonder about the transport width for 16 rows and how well it will work on uneven ground. It looks like the company has other configurations in the works. It's the same basic concept I've been thinking about. |
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| I know this is over a month old thread but I found it through a search and I figured I'd throw my two cents in. Around here the big guys are taking 1770 and 1770NT 16 row front fold planters and pulling a John Deere 19x0 air cart behind them. I know one guy with a 1770NT CCS 16 row 30 and the air cart who is pulling it with a 9220 that has a 48 gpm pump and says he has problems with being on the edge with hydraulic capacity. I know another guy who has the same setup except he's pulling it with a New Holland TRJ 325 with a 55 gpm pump and has no problems in terms of hydraulic capacity, so it looks like having a little over 50 GPM with this setup would be the way to go. For openers they use the John Deere single disk openers. You can get the old style for dry straight from John Deere but if you want to use the new style John Deere single disk openers you have to modify the boot on your own to make it work.
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EC MN - Hour North of 'The Cities' | I was wondering how a stack fold bar on the 3 point of the tractor would work with dry boxes on it to apply the fertilizer and then have a 3 point hitch on the back of the bar where a 1770NT (16 row) could be pulled behind? We would be looking for something to band the fertilizer as we plant and then this unit could be doubled as a Urea sidedresser after planting. The hang-up would be the issue of weight on the stack fold when in transport or to make sure the boxes are empty before going on the road and then to have them filled in the field, but the hydraulic flow wouldn't be nearly as much as an air cart would require I would think.
The tractor being used would be a Challenger 45.
Any thoughts are appreciated! |
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| I don't know anything about stack fold bars. They're not too common around here but it sounds like a reasonable idea as long as like you say, you have it empty before you fold up. I wonder how a rig like that would work going around curves? It seems like the planter might follow a different track than the stack fold bar and you wouldn't have the band in the place you wanted it relative to the seed. This would be an uncommon scenario though.
I know our old 7200 has liquid tanks sitting right on the frame of the planter. Maybe you could put dry tanks right on the frame of the planter and then use the single disk openers again. You wouldn't be able to use it as a side dresser after planting though.
You're right, the hydraulic capacity is quite the issue. We're considering buying a 1770 (not the NT) that is already set up for dry from one of the farmers that's been using this setup. It's chain drive so all we would need for hydraulics would be the vac fans, lift and the air cart. Not having the CCS fan or the hydraulic drives should significantly lighten the hydraulic requirements. We're planning on pulling this with an old JD 4840. We would run the fans on the planter and the lift with the tractor hydraulics and then get a PTO pump from http://www.rowemfg.com/ to drive the CCS fan. I called them today and I'm pretty impressed with what they claim to be able to do with a simple PTO pump. They mount a reservoir on the planter, and they have what they call the Pump Doctor which mates the pump directly to the tractor so it's not wobbling around all the time. He only uses close center pressure compensating pumps and his largest pump puts out 21 GPM if you're running at PTO speed. He has a step up drive that increases the speed to what the pumps max RPM is as well and that is supposed to bump the GPM to 47. It sounds like it would be possible to run most planters with a setup like this even on an older tractor.
I guess I've rambled enough. I've been trying to figure out a hydraulic solution for awhile now and I'm kinda excited about finding something like this. It is starting to look like we're not going to have to do a $100,000 tractor upgrade to take advantage of the cost benefits of dry fertilizer. |
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EC MN - Hour North of 'The Cities' | I would think the PTO pump would be great to reduce the amount of hydralic flow you would need from the tractor hydraulic system to run the planter, vac and air cart. We decided to go with finger pick-up on our 1770NT so we wouldn't have to continually be using hydraulics to run a vac system and save the life on our pump. Sometimes I see the advantage to having a vac to run at a slightly faster speed and to have a slightly better stand, but the finger pickup does what it needs for us.
We run liquid starter on our planter with a 500 gallon tank on the main frame. Because of this we wouldn't be able to mount dry boxes on the frame because of the narrow transport width. I have heard of people mounting a large box where the 500 gallon liquid tank would be on the fram and then blow the dry fertilizer from the box to the openers mounted on the row units. I like this idea of bulk fill, but then I would have to go with saddle tanks on the Cat for the starter, but I would like to have saddles to apply herbicide when I plant. Wil-Rich makes saddle tanks that can be used as dry fertilizer or liquid and then just have to route the hoses back to the planter. In our area we don't have large square fields, so I would be backing up quite often and this would make having a cart behind a little more difficult. We also use an air system to fill the planter boxes from the rear which might become a problem if I had an air cart behind.
I know Flexi-Coil made a couple of air carts that had a 3 point mounted on the rear and could be towed in between the tractor and planter, but once again may be difficult to back up easily unless the planter was mounted.
Lance |
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corn planter with dry fertilizer
