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West Central Wisconsin | So I am determined to make snaplage this year if we get to do our expansion. I have not been able to find a custom guy near me that can commit to getting my job done on time. Looking at possibly trading the combine for a chopper. Any big issues with a 5830 chopper? Planning to run a 4 row head for silage. Can it handle an 843 corn head or will I have to get a 4 row? I do almost all of my repairs myself so I am not afraid to get dirty and learn. Would be 75 acres of silage and 200-250 acres of snaplage. Any thoughts? Trying to stay within reason of a 50,000 budget. We are not flat and square by any stretch of the imagination. |
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thorp wi. | I think your budget would get you into a 6000 series fairly easy ,which you will not regret . also no need for adapter plate then . |
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Galena IL | Can you put a KP in a 5830? I have seen some Krone 650's sell on auction time pretty reasonable and I know they can handle 8 rows....Dennis |
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swmn | Like was said, I would try to skip the 5000 series move to a 6x10 series with updated wiring if your set on a Deere. |
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jackson county WI | I would try and get 4wd chopper. A lot of my fields won't work for snaplage, it may seem easy but after running one and having wagons shove you around in hills trying to hit the wagon, it makes combining easy as pie.
Looks like could get some higher houred claas for that money too. |
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Columbia Basin, Ephrata, WA | The 5000 series is an obsolete design. They have too many moving parts, too many wear items, and take too much fuel for the tonnage moved. A KP in a 5000 series is more of an afterthought than a design element, and 843 would be too much for a 5830, IMO.
I agree with the others, a $50,000 budget should get you in to the modern designed machines from the mid-late 90's. Just about any 6000 series machine should be able to carry an 8 row head and cover that amount of ground without too much trouble. A 66x0 would be a little weak when running a processor, but they're kind of rare anyway.
Watch auctions closely and you may even be able to get in to something as new and big as a 7500 or Claas 900. Either of those would knock out your acreage without breaking a sweat.
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West Central Wisconsin | Any good NH machines or ones to lookout for? |
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SE Manitoba | oakridge - 2/9/2017 00:32
Any good NH machines or ones to lookout for?
A German farm publication did a field test of forage harvesters in California. IIRC I saw the results on the CombineForum.
As fuel is a major input cost in running silage choppers I would be looking more at Claas and Krone (the 1 / 2 for material per amount fuel).
I find it funny how the North American engineering community just doesn't seem to have gotten that fuel isn't cheap (it was comparatively 35 years ago!). |
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| dabeegmon - 2/9/2017 07:03
oakridge - 2/9/2017 00:32
Any good NH machines or ones to lookout for?
A German farm publication did a field test of forage harvesters in California. IIRC I saw the results on the CombineForum.
As fuel is a major input cost in running silage choppers I would be looking more at Claas and Krone (the 1 / 2 for material per amount fuel ).
I find it funny how the North American engineering community just doesn't seem to have gotten that fuel isn't cheap (it was comparatively 35 years ago! ).
I think in NA fuel is cheap compared to some parts of Germany or the UK. |
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SE Manitoba | 1770 - 2/9/2017 06:10
dabeegmon - 2/9/2017 07:03
oakridge - 2/9/2017 00:32
Any good NH machines or ones to lookout for?
A German farm publication did a field test of forage harvesters in California. IIRC I saw the results on the CombineForum.
As fuel is a major input cost in running silage choppers I would be looking more at Claas and Krone (the 1 / 2 for material per amount fuel ).
I find it funny how the North American engineering community just doesn't seem to have gotten that fuel isn't cheap (it was comparatively 35 years ago! ).
I think in NA fuel is cheap compared to some parts of Germany or the UK.
Last time I was in Germany (little less than 1 year ago) the pump price on diesel was less in Euros than here in $Can.
I didn't think to ask about farm fuel pricing.
If your books go back that far compare fuel cost (adjusted for operation size) from 30/35 years ago.
Mine are showing that fuel used to be way behind other costs. Now - - - its one of the major costs. |
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| I run a 5830. It's an old machine. I paid 38000 five years ago. Canadian dollars. It will not run an eight row. The gear box that runs the head will not take it. It's a decent machine but not very comfortable to operate for a six foot three person to run. The kp is a pia to put in and take out. I do about a hundred and 25 acres of corn sialage fifty sixty acres of haylage and fifty acres of snaplaiage if the season is right. |
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Ryan, IA | I will agree 100% with Scttkrmr. You will continuously break a shaft in the feed roll drive gear box because the header pulls too hard in snaplage on a 5830 with even a 643 head. Even if you can fix it yourself you will be down for a couple of days and then you will not get it done when you wanted it done. Been there, done that, don't even think about it. |
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northeastern Ohio | oakridge - 2/9/2017 00:32
Any good NH machines or ones to lookout for?
I run a FX25 and an FX58. It's hard to keep the 58 running due to stupid little issues. Last year I had to replace a circuit board in the 58. The board was $2000 and I had to have a service guy out to load the software which cost another $800. Now there is an issue with the head not raising (might be bad pump or stuck relief valve).
But I've owned the 25 for over 15 years. It has been very dependable overall. I did eat a knife... twice.... and that cost significant $$$ to rebuild. Parts are stupidly expensive on the NH machines.
The last FX that I saw sell at auction brought $40k with 4000 hours, a worn out head and several other issues. That was way too much for that machine. If you are interested in an FX, you need someone with experience to look it over and you need to run it to find any issues. You should also be reasonably close to a dealer that has worked with these machines before. This is probably true with all makes and models. |
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Columbia Basin, Ephrata, WA | oakridge - 2/8/2017 22:32
Any good NH machines or ones to lookout for?
The newer ones are ok, but are going to be hard to find for $50k.
Steer clear of the fx machines. Their design is also obsolete and some parts are very expensive and/or NLA.
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swmn | OK Enterprises make a drive so you don't drive head through feed roll gear case. I have one on a 5720. They make a sprocket that bolts onto cutterhead drive pulley. Then just uses a 80 roller chain to power the shaft that connects to corn head. Works great. No unnecessary load on feed roll case. Only down fall is you can't reverse corn head if needed. I have never had to though. Also have to remove chain to sharpen knives. Not a big deal. I don't have a picture right now but could get one if anyone wants to see it. |
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| If be interested in a picture of that set up if you have one. I rebuilt my gear box last year. You can't buy the gearbox halves seperate anymore. You have to buy whole gearbox. 5000 iirc. I had a machine shop rebuild my box were the countershaft bearing rides as it wore when the countershaft went out. |
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