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Western North Carolina | I'm looking at buying another tractor and am trying to decide between a 4455 and 7810. That is a nice size of tractor for my needs but I'm also considering adding a 3x4 large square baler to my operation so I need the tractor I buy to be capable of handling a large square baler. Im thinking the 7810 would be fine on the large square but not sure about the 4455. Either tractor I buy will be 4wd. I know these tractors are on the smaller side of what I hear many people using but small squares are my primary buisness so Im not baling enough large squares to justify buying a bigger tractor just for the large square baler. Just wanted to make sure that a 4455 or 7810 would work on a large square or I might have to rethink my plans. |
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Columbia Basin, Ephrata, WA | That size tractor will work well enough on a 3x4, but for what they sell for in good condition you might as well get an 8100 and have a real tractor.
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OR | 7810 I would also look at a 8100 much better tractor |
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| This might be out of your budget but I would look for an 8100 with all three PTO's. Probably as nimble as either of the other two and longer wheelbase make for a little better ride. Biggest thing being it is a larger frame tractor to stand up to a big square baler better. |
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| The ride will be better on 4455 over 7800 as they are similar to 86 series IH..The turning radius is better on 8100 over 7800 if set at 30in.I am also looking and the best buy is the 8100 just not a lot have 3ptos.I have had 7800/7810 and 4455 and the 4455 bring a premium to the others.I decent 8100MFD sold on auctiontime that was in our area and brought around $42K 1000 only PTO. no weights 50% tires. |
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West Chazy, New York | There weren't very many of them made, but if you can find a 4555 it is way more tractor than a 4455. It only has 1000 pto if that is an issue. I had one and thought it was the nicest MFWD row crop tractor I ever drove. Nice ride, nice turning radius, and the 15 speed powershift was a nice transmission. The 4955 was way more popular, but the 4555 was a good solid machine. |
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Western North Carolina | shorty1 - 1/27/2017 23:38
The ride will be better on 4455 over 7800 as they are similar to 86 series IH..The turning radius is better on 8100 over 7800 if set at 30in.I am also looking and the best buy is the 8100 just not a lot have 3ptos.I have had 7800/7810 and 4455 and the 4455 bring a premium to the others.I decent 8100MFD sold on auctiontime that was in our area and brought around $42K 1000 only PTO. no weights 50% tires. Im looking at a very nice 4455 for quite a bit less than a 7810. That's interesting that you say an 8100 has a better turning radius than a 7800.....never would have thought that. How much worse of a turning radius is a 7810 than a 7510? I'm currently running a 7510 and absolutely love that tractor.....seems very nimble and maneuverable for its size.....just not big enough for a large square. If it wasn't for the price difference between the 4455 and 7810 I was leaning towards the 7810 because I figured it would be very similar to my 7510....just a little longer. |
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Western North Carolina | I figured a lot of people would suggest a 8 series tractor. I have considered an 8100 and I do agree that it would be a good tractor for a large square but they just seemed too big and bulky for most of my other equipment I currently have. The ability to have 540 pto would make it much more versatile. Honestly it will most likely be at least another year or two before I buy a large square but I'm in the market for a tractor now so I just wanted to investigate if a 4455 or 7810 would handle a large square or not.
Edited by FarmerCline 1/28/2017 00:42
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Southern Nevada desert | We have run a 7800 ps, a 7810 ps, a 4560 ps, a 7720 pq and an 8120 on hesston 4900 and 4910 4x4 big balers. We almost always run duals and the 78's handle them just fine, a 7810 with duals is better than the 8120 with singles on a big baler. also lots of 4450/4455's on big balers in this end of the country.
The 4560 has been bulletproof, 16k hrs on the original engine and trans and still going but if your small balers are 540 pto then the 8100 and 4555/4560 are not a good fit unless you can find a 8000 series with the 540 option. My 7810 was golden until about 7000 hrs when the trans started giving fits and large bills followed, the 8120 and 7720 power quad have both also had large trans repair bills by 8500 hrs.
As far as operating the tractors on a big baler I would prefer the 7800/7810 over any of the others. I hate the 7720 pq tractor, on a big baler the pto always needs 2 trys to start and it seems like the trans is always in the wrong range, I would take a powershift all day any day for haying, the 7720 also has in general been a glitchy electrical mess as long as I have been around it.
The soundguard tractors are kind of clunky for mounting the monitors and the cabs are smaller but the maintenance has been far less at 16k hours than any of the others at less than 10k hours. On a baler I would rather run a 50/55 series power shift than a 7000 series power quad any day of the week.
Strictly from an operators standpoint I am sort of indifferent to the 8000 series, I find nothing about them that I like better than a 7810 in a big baler tractor and I am just more comfortable in a 7810.
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central ohio..between Springville and Millbrook. | a 4455 would run a 3x3 baler I think, but you will be on high alert all day while running it.
I ran a 3x3 CASEIH baler with a 2-135 WHITE for years. it had big duals, lots of weights, and a chain holding the drawbar up. (189 horse) . Running the baler was no problem but I always had to be looking 3 steps ahead and leave myself an out on hillsides. those balers are HEAVY. you don't wanna go down any steep hills where you are forced to turn sharp at the bottom. my next baler was tandem axle and that helped with the drawbar weight, but not the stopping.
the WHITE got replaced with a bigger tractor as soon as the banker said I could:) I agree with the others in buying an 8100. I ran an 8100 on a small baler a few times and although it looks a Lil awkward, it handled it great.
Edited by HeyhayJCM 1/28/2017 05:43
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Mo | Not the 4455. No swivel seat. |
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near dyersville iowa | if youre in hills, youre probably going to have to run duals on either. just a thought. |
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ecmn | 7810 has the big engine, lots of power for a little tractor! nimble quick easy to drive, rock solid tractors. would take 1 every day of the week over a 4455 but your check book has to decide.
if the 4455 was the top end of my budget I would not have any second thoughts about getting a clean one.
if on a baling tractor most guys set front wide so turning is not an issue, if row cropping set front to 32 " setting and then you can drop 1 steering stop. no competition could match deere turning radius back then. |
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Wyoming | I think when people talk turning radius, they are talking about the tractors on 60" centers, which you will not likely be doing if you are pulling a big square baler.
Most 3x4 balers will be fine on 150 hp, but if you are looking at the newer high density balers such as a Krone or Massey 2270 you might want more hp. |
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South Georgia | We run a 4455 and are very fond of the tractor; however, those tractors tend to squad down a little in the back. This can cause issues with ground clearance on a 3-point hitch implement. If you plan to do much with the 3-point hitch, I'd go on up to the 7810. If all of the work will be with the drawbar, I'd consider the 4455. This is purely from a hitch prospective, I don't know anything about the power requirements of hay equipment. |
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Northwest Iowa | Traded a 4450 for 7810 still use the 10, both are great tractors 7810 has 20spd pq |
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Oregon | They are close on base weight and there is only a 10 PTO HP difference. If you are haying in steep or rolling ground, I'd think both options might feel a little light in front of a big square.
-Mike |
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Huntley Montana | 55s had swivel seats.. 50s did not. |
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Huntley Montana | On a 3x3 both would be ok, not so much on a 3x4-4x4.. PTO clutches are not heavy enough for the bigger balers. I run 8xxxs on my 3x4 balers so I have enough "dog to keep the tail from wagging it too much". I set the tires out to 102" centers on the fronts & the backs where the distance between is the same as fronts so I don't run over more hay than needed. I would go 120" on fronts, but my trailer necks are 102" wide & I like at least 1/2 the tire on. |
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west central wisconsin | weight wise...... we have 7810 with powershift, 400 pound rear wheel weight, 7 front weights, and fluid in 18.4x42's, also have an 8110, with 400 lb. inside rear wheel weights, zero fluid, and zero front weights, but front weight bracket.... both are fwd. The 7810 weighs 600 lbs. more........
So,. essentially, take the front weight off the 7810 and weigh identical. |
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far sNSW , Australia | I drove 4455 and 7800 around the dealers lot. No comparison. 7800 is so manoeuvrable. Cab so much better. Better visibility. Modern. Bigger fuel tank. Better steering. Stronger 3PL, etc, etc. No regrets after 15 years and 7000 extra hours. |
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N.E. MO | Not a direct answer to your question, but pulled a 4790 Heston with an accumulator in really good alfalfa for several years with an Allis 8030 MFWD and it handled it very well. By comparison, I think both the 44 and 78 would do fine and be more nimble as well. |
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Western North Carolina | Thanks for all the replies. I was thinking about this more today and I decided I really need to stay with a 4455 or 7810 size of tractor because that size will suit my other uses better. I guess if that won't work with a large square I might have to figure something else out when I buy one but It seems like many of you are saying that either the 4455 or 7810 would work. Someone mentioned the pto clutch on those tractors not being able to handle the load of a 3x4 large square....that concerns me much more than the weight of the baler pushing me around on the hills. Does anyone else have any thoughts about if the pto clutch will hold up running a 3x4 large square? I was thinking of getting something like a Hesston 4790 large square.....not a high density baler or anything like that. I do plan on running duals when large square baling as I do have hills. |
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Southern Pa. | Big square balers are definitely hard on not only PTO clutches, but anything related to the tractors PTO drivetrain. It's the uneven load that works on everything. A 7800/10 doesn't need to be split to work on the PTO clutch. Anything built prior to these tractors needs to be split to access the PTO clutch. (ie, anything built after the two bangers)
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Southern Nevada desert | My 7800 was bought used in 1995 with about 2500 hours, the big balers came in about 10 years ago. Probably 85% of its hours are PTO, pull type sprayer with herbicide in the spring, 1st crop on a big baler, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th on a chopper then 5th on a big baler again, its share has been about 400 acres a cutting. It has 15,872 hours now and still has the original PTO with the exception of an updated shaft and drive collar replaced early on. The PTO would not be on my list of things to worry about.
As mentioned above a 44 will need a split for the PTO, on a 78 it comes out the back in about an hour.
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I have seen a ton of big balers with the main drive clutch set wrong, the main clutch should slip a bit on every stroke to reduce the shock load on the tractor pto and driveline. Hesston wants the clutch to be warm to the touch after 20 minutes of operation, you can sometimes hear it chirp on the plunger stroke when it is set right. What usually happens is the grease fitting in the center of the clutch shaft that lubes the pilot gets over greased and floods the clutches, then it slips and gets over tightened because it basically needs the springs bottomed to hold with the clutch discs greased.
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Western North Carolina | Two Hawk - 1/28/2017 23:39
My 7800 was bought used in 1995 with about 2500 hours, the big balers came in about 10 years ago. Probably 85% of its hours are PTO, pull type sprayer with herbicide in the spring, 1st crop on a big baler, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th on a chopper then 5th on a big baler again, its share has been about 400 acres a cutting. It has 15,872 hours now and still has the original PTO with the exception of an updated shaft and drive collar replaced early on. The PTO would not be on my list of things to worry about.
As mentioned above a 44 will need a split for the PTO, on a 78 it comes out the back in about an hour.
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I have seen a ton of big balers with the main drive clutch set wrong, the main clutch should slip a bit on every stroke to reduce the shock load on the tractor pto and driveline. Hesston wants the clutch to be warm to the touch after 20 minutes of operation, you can sometimes hear it chirp on the plunger stroke when it is set right. What usually happens is the grease fitting in the center of the clutch shaft that lubes the pilot gets over greased and floods the clutches, then it slips and gets over tightened because it basically needs the springs bottomed to hold with the clutch discs greased. That makes me feel much better about the pto clutch.....sounds like that shouldn't be an issue. I assume you wouldn't be concerned about the pto on a 4455 either? Good to know about the slip clutch on the baler......that makes a lot of sense.
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Mo | Oh. My 2755 doesn't. |
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Redickville, Ont | I have 4450 and 7710 and I prefer the 7710. Don't get me wrong I love that 4450 but left and reverser and power quad transmission is so much better. Plus cab is much nicer. Didn't the 4455 clocks run backwards or was that 4555?? |
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JD 4455 or 7810
