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| I have been looking at several of the 7130's and 7230's both premium and standard I notice the small differences in the cab like premium has the monitor on the right and side to show a few more things while the standard does not have that monitor. That does not bother me that much but some people are saying that the premiums have a different motor something about the number of valves in the motor is different in a premium. Is the standard something that will wear out faster than the premium? I also hear some things about the hydraulics being slower but with the tractor coming from the factory with the loader I assume that it would have the better hydraulic pump. There is one tractor in particular that I like but it is a STANDARD, 2012 model had a loader, MFWD, 1340 hours, comes with large and standard bucket forks, and a bale spear, pretty nice tractor. While I was test driving the tractor the glow plug light kept flashing on the owner took it to local JD dealer. JD said it was the water in fuel sensor and replaced it and drained water from system. other than that seems to be a good tractor. Any ideas on what a tractor like this is worth? |
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Near Intersection of I-35 & I-90 Southern Mn. | I used to work at a shop. When these tractors first came out, the boss bought a new "standard" one thinking that it would be sufficient for shop use and didn't need the fancy extras. The hydraulics on it were pathetic especially with a loader. If you are going to use it with a loader I strongly suggest you try the hydraulics before you buy it. Long story short on that tractor - he got rid of it and ended up with the Premium model.
In my opinion the standard probably has its place but it wouldn't be found on MY place. |
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West Central IL | Our 6410 had better hydraulics than our 7230. It couldn't run a 740 loader efficiently. Took like 30 seconds to lift from ground to all the way up. Had to constantly stop while loading silage to wait on the loader. Ended up trading it in on a lower houred 7130 premium. |
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| Some of the newer standard or economy JD models had open center hydraulics, not sure why.
The premium and R models have closed center hydraulics.
As mentioned, don't get the open center models for loader work.
Why JD did this was a very poor decision, they have had closed center hydraulics on most
all tractors since 1960 when the 4010 series was introduced. |
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Oregon | We just bought a used 6430 with the Mauer orchard cab. They don't come in premium, only standard. We have been getting a few parts for it regarding the scv valves. Basically, if you want to expect it to be a John Deere it better be aa premium. Deere found ways to go cheap on the hydraulics...one of the things that has set Deere ahead sincesince 1961 and now they are throwing that away. It's tricky for long time Deere customers since they have long established expectations. The models should be named " normal" and "cheapo". That said, the standards could be ordered with upgraded hydraulic pumps, scv valves and scv couplers. (yes, they are optioned individually) Have the dealer run the serial number for you and print the build codes for you . Then you'll know for sure how it's set up. |
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Near Intersection of I-35 & I-90 Southern Mn. | I was not aware that the standard models could be ordered with optional hydraulics, which might make them acceptable for loader work. The standard that I had experience with (until the boss got rid of it) reminded me of using the old "H" with a loader where you had to throw the transmission into Neutral and reengage the clutch to get the pump to run to raise the loader. At least the Deere had live hydraulics but they were SLOW. |
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Southern Pa. | tedbear - 12/28/2016 10:54
I was not aware that the standard models could be ordered with optional hydraulics, which might make them acceptable for loader work. The standard that I had experience with (until the boss got rid of it) reminded me of using the old "H" with a loader where you had to throw the transmission into Neutral and reengage the clutch to get the pump to run to raise the loader. At least the Deere had live hydraulics but they were SLOW.
The standard models could be ordered with the exact same hyd. system/couplers etc. as a premium, IF you don't want a cab. Forget premium hyd. on a cab model. 71/7230 standard models do not have power brakes. They will seem spongy if you're used to an older Deere. 7330 and up will have power brakes in the standard models. Early standard models had 17 gpm hyd. Later ones have 21 gpm hyd.
To the OP, try before you buy. Make sure you're satisfied with the brakes and loader speed.If the one you like is a 2012, it should be 21 gpm hyd. Unless it's an open station, then it may have premium hyds.
Edited by JD 9400 12/28/2016 11:39
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Southern Pa. | sfi - 12/28/2016 10:46
We just bought a used 6430 with the Mauer orchard cab. They don't come in premium, only standard. We have been getting a few parts for it regarding the scv valves. Basically, if you want to expect it to be a John Deere it better be aa premium. Deere found ways to go cheap on the hydraulics...one of the things that has set Deere ahead sincesince 1961 and now they are throwing that away. It's tricky for long time Deere customers since they have long established expectations. The models should be named " normal" and "cheapo". That said, the standards could be ordered with upgraded hydraulic pumps, scv valves and scv couplers. (yes, they are optioned individually) Have the dealer run the serial number for you and print the build codes for you . Then you'll know for sure how it's set up.
In a row crop 6X30 standard, you can opt for premium hyd. as long as you are happy with an Open Station. The hyd.system upgrade will give you everything a premium has, except power brakes. |
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Southern Pa. | They did it to compete with other manufacturers cheapo lines. Not saying it was a smart move, but that's why. A standard Deere is a like a green NH or CIH in their cheaper lines. |
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Oregon | Maybe the 6000s are different. Our 6430 cab tractor was ordered with the optional higher capacity pump/closed center system... it is a cab tractor...but it's the orchard cab. The cab orchard cab interior is just like the regular cabs but it has lower clearance and the windows are tapered in.
Edited by sfi 12/28/2016 12:07
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West Central IL | It's just misleading, the 8030 series didn't have a premium designation. I believe you could order a larger pump. But when you are buying a 120-150hp tractor, you would have thought it would be capable to run a loader. Evidently not. |
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Southern Pa. | If there was such a thing as premium hyd. in a cab model, it must have something to do with the orchard version. We tried to get premium hyd. in a row crop standard 6X30 cab tractor, no luck. It was possible only if it had no cab. |
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Southern Pa. | Some years ago there were lots of real low hour standard tractors sitting around everywhere on dealer lots. People didn't realize what fhey were getting until they got them home and used them. |
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Northwest Mo | I have 6430 regular and a 6430 Prem. On mine there are motor differences, Prem more pto and road gear hp. Both have loaders and the Prem Hyd work far faster. The side screen can tell you much more whats going on when a warning light comes on.
But with JD options, either model can have the same or different engines and hyd pumps. Need to check with the manufacture part options using serial number. Even on mine the Prem has the cab controls set up a little better. For me the Prem is the better choice although I can use them interchangely on all of my equipment.
Wear out should be about the same. Price ?? Prem some higher with the same hours and if it has the more expensive motor, hydralics, and electronic system. |
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| WesleyD - 12/28/2016 08:18
I have been looking at several of the 7130's and 7230's both premium and standard I notice the small differences in the cab like premium has the monitor on the right and side to show a few more things while the standard does not have that monitor. That does not bother me that much but some people are saying that the premiums have a different motor something about the number of valves in the motor is different in a premium. Is the standard something that will wear out faster than the premium? I also hear some things about the hydraulics being slower but with the tractor coming from the factory with the loader I assume that it would have the better hydraulic pump. There is one tractor in particular that I like but it is a STANDARD, 2012 model had a loader, MFWD, 1340 hours, comes with large and standard bucket forks, and a bale spear, pretty nice tractor. While I was test driving the tractor the glow plug light kept flashing on the owner took it to local JD dealer. JD said it was the water in fuel sensor and replaced it and drained water from system. other than that seems to be a good tractor. Any ideas on what a tractor like this is worth?
A 7130 beginning in 2010 will have a 4 cylinder |
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Southern Pa. | bsteimy67 - 12/28/2016 16:42
I have 6430 regular and a 6430 Prem. On mine there are motor differences, Prem more pto and road gear hp. Both have loaders and the Prem Hyd work far faster. The side screen can tell you much more whats going on when a warning light comes on.
But with JD options, either model can have the same or different engines and hyd pumps. Need to check with the manufacture part options using serial number. Even on mine the Prem has the cab controls set up a little better. For me the Prem is the better choice although I can use them interchangely on all of my equipment.
Wear out should be about the same. Price ?? Prem some higher with the same hours and if it has the more expensive motor, hydralics, and electronic system.
All premium models have a HPCR injection system, 4 valves per cylinder, EGR, and a VGT turbo. On earlier premiums, power boost was optional, around 2010 it became standard. The standard models also have an HPCR injection system, but don't have EGR. All standard models use a two valve per cyl. engine, and have a "normal" fixed turbo. Power boost was never an option on standard models. Premium hyd.were optional on standard row crop open station tractors, but not on standard row crop cab tractors. |
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Southern Pa. | yallardeere - 12/28/2016 17:12
WesleyD - 12/28/2016 08:18
I have been looking at several of the 7130's and 7230's both premium and standard I notice the small differences in the cab like premium has the monitor on the right and side to show a few more things while the standard does not have that monitor. That does not bother me that much but some people are saying that the premiums have a different motor something about the number of valves in the motor is different in a premium. Is the standard something that will wear out faster than the premium? I also hear some things about the hydraulics being slower but with the tractor coming from the factory with the loader I assume that it would have the better hydraulic pump. There is one tractor in particular that I like but it is a STANDARD, 2012 model had a loader, MFWD, 1340 hours, comes with large and standard bucket forks, and a bale spear, pretty nice tractor. While I was test driving the tractor the glow plug light kept flashing on the owner took it to local JD dealer. JD said it was the water in fuel sensor and replaced it and drained water from system. other than that seems to be a good tractor. Any ideas on what a tractor like this is worth?
A 7130 beginning in 2010 will have a 4 cylinder
Yep, it doesn't seem to affect performance much. But a six is smoother. I'd try to find a late six if I could. ('09)
Edited by JD 9400 12/28/2016 18:19
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West Central IL | We've got a 4 banger. Had the 7230 standard for about 6 months before trading that lemon back in on the 7130 premium. Didn't notice much difference in power, I would say the 6 cylinder would probably hold on longer under load though. Seems like if it gets in a hard pull you can't hardly drop gears fast enough at times for it to come back. I never did figure out why Deere went from a 6 to a 4 on the 7130's though. |
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Southern Pa. | roush9799 - 12/28/2016 23:53
We've got a 4 banger. Had the 7230 standard for about 6 months before trading that lemon back in on the 7130 premium. Didn't notice much difference in power, I would say the 6 cylinder would probably hold on longer under load though. Seems like if it gets in a hard pull you can't hardly drop gears fast enough at times for it to come back. I never did figure out why Deere went from a 6 to a 4 on the 7130's though.
+1. Must have built too many 4 cylinders? Needed to use them up? |
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NW Minnesota | We have an 08' 7230 standard. It has a loader and has decent hydraulic response with some rpm's. It is a very good tractor in general, but my only real complaint would be the hydraulics when used in field applications. It is open center pressure compensating 14gpm pump and it doesn't cut it if you want to do any field work with it. For instance, put in on a vacuum planter and the fan will slow down when you lift the planter up. It is just adequate on the baler for cycling the door. It has the six cylinder engine with is a definite plus, but try to get one with good closed center hydraulics. I really don't miss the other Premium features for loader applications. |
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Sturgis, SD | We asked the same questions when they put the 4 cyl in the 7130's. Our 7230 sales went up when this happened. Deere's reasoning was better fuel economy and same horsepower out of the 4.5L vs the 6.8L at 100 HP level. The same holds true for the 6140M's. Why put a 6 cylinder in the 6140R but not the 6140M. We sold 5 times as many 6150M's or 6140M's because of the 6 cyl engine and 15 more HP for only $4,500 more. |
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JOHN DEERE 7230 Preimum vs standard
