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Oregon | I just picked up a winter project and it came with a Deere 158 loader attached.
If you were starting with a clean slate and you wanted to put a quick-tach loader on a 4020, which loader would you buy today? The last one I used was a factory-green Farmhand with those boots and pins secured by a massive bolt. What would you buy today?
The 158 is not quick - tach and doesn't seem like anything special- do people like them because they are green or am I missing something about it? This one is straight and the pins are tight. I'm trying to figure out whether to keep it snd re-install once the tractor is restored or just sell it off the tractor and buy a modern quick-tach once the tractor is done.
What is the best quick-tach loader today for new generation tractors?
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SW Iowa | Like my TA-28 on my 4240 |
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North West IA/western AZ | I thought my neighbors 148 was quick tach and it really fit a 4020 well. Are you sure the 158 isn't QT? Dad had a Westendorf WL 40 and I had a WL42 on 4020's for a while. Good heavy loaders but they stuck out further and slopped around a bit as you drove. Not as tightly fit into the QT brackets. |
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| I owned a 4020 / 148 loader. The 148 isn't a true "quick-tach", though they arent that hard to take on / -off once the mounting bracket was installed. You had to remove 4 bolts on each side where the loader attached to the bracket, pivot the parking stand down & back out. I did put a "Shur-co" quick attach on it for the bucket forks.
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Far as differences between theb148 / 158, the 158 had a higher reach and bigger cylinders which gave it more lifting power.
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ecmn | Many hours on a 158 4020 combo. To much loader for the tractor. If I had the money with out a second thought I would get a modern loader. Then you have the quick attach for the bucket and the loader itself. |
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Northeast Missouri | I've had a 158 loader on a 4020 for 24 years. It's a very good combination. I made a quick-tach for the attachments and leave the loader on the tractor, although it's not hard to remove if needed. I worked in a Deere dealer shop several years ago and the so-called "quick tach" loaders were known for beating a tractor to death, especially side frames and bolts. I like my 158 for the additional reach and height. A 148 is better on smaller tractors. |
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| Only loader I've ever used on a 4020 is a Westendorf Traction Action TA-28. Pretty simple to take on and off and pretty tough loaders too |
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Central Illinois | I have had a 158 since 1987. It is a heavy duty loader. I put a 4640 front axle on my 4020 after breaking the original 4020 axle. If you are not lifting huge loads it isn't necessary.
I have a quick tach for the bucket and pallet forks. Without the bucket or pallet forks on you can do any job you need to. The loader without an attachment does not limit your visibility.
If you want a newer quick tach loader, get a JD 740 self leveling loader. The mounting brackets for the 30-60 series JD tractors will fit the 4020 if you drill 1 hole on each frame. You will want a heavy duty front axle as I mentioned above and extra weight on the back. Good luck.
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Northern Maryland | I Have a john deere 725 on one really works nice I think a 720 would work also |
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Nc Ks. | Years ago I had a 148 on several different tractors and now have a 168 on a 4240. I didn't think from 148 to 158 to 168 they were all that much heavier. They just stuck out further in the front providing higher lift. I've owned a later model farmhand and another brand, can't think of the name now, but currently have a westendorf TA46 on my mfd. I like that westendorf better than any loader I have owned. Prefer it over my uncles JD he has on 7220 mfd. Easy to take off and on, not a lot of iron left hanging on the tractor when the loader is off. I would second the others here who posted TA26 for the 4020. Wish I had one instead of that 168 on the 4240. |
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Statesville, NC | KD still makes loaders that fit older 2wd tractors well. I don't like the look of a high frame 4wd loader on a 2wd tractor. The visibility is much better with the lower frame. http://kdloaders.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/19-model-5500 |
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Oregon | I've been down that road. Driving around with the loader on and the bucket off always struck me as plain lazy if you have a real quick - tach loader. No reason to bounce that around the field.
I've spent a lot of time with a 740 on a 4440- pretty much the worse visibility I can image on a loader set-up. But I agree, the 740 is a nice loader. Seems like it would be too much loader for a 4020 though. I'm guessing that is why you have the rear weight stack. Without a mechanical front axle, the front end must sink like an anchor.
Your front axle seems like a smart idea. I've never broken a knee on a 4020, but I can see that both of them on the 4320 I brought home have been welded on.
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Oregon | Never had one or had the chance to use one, but always kinda liked the way the Westerndorf loaders looked.
My hunch is that your Westerndorf TA-28 is better than the Deere 158 but I didn't have any experience with them.
-Mike |
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| I have a 158 with my 4020. It is a powerful combination. The loader has never been removed. I hammer out pins to go from the material bucket to the fork. |
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Nebraska | 725 JD would in my opinion be your best band for your buck. We have 2 of them and have never hurt them one stays on a 4630 and the other stays between a 4010 with hiniker cab and the other 4630 we have. It is nice to see out of the 4010 I think a 740 would cut back visibility! |
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western iowa,by Denison | sell the loader and don't put any back on-then buy a cheap payloader-that way your restoration will not be in vain |
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central ND/SD border | If you are restoring the tractor, i am guessing that you are aiming for best look, value and making it original. If so, than the 158 is the right era fit. If you are set on a QT loader, than staying with a JD loader would make it look better. |
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Central Illinois | Sorry to mislead you into thinking the 740 would have good visibility like the 158. The 158 is the loader that would stay on without the attachment. I never had issues with the 158 blocking my view when doing any work that did not require a loader.
The 11:00-16 tires keep me going except in very wet conditions. The 158 would do the same in those wet conditions. I would like a FWA tractor to put the loader on some day. |
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| we went a different route--we bought the first 240 loader built in welland delivered to Syracuse and to Hammond,new York in april of '81.we had made the deal for it in the fall of '80 before they were released.we installed this on a 2510 powershift and found this to be the slickest combination I had worked with.to make this fit we had to drill 2 new holes in the mounting frames and add 1 foot to the frame to reach back under the rear axle.mama deere was vary unhappy when I told them what we had done at empire days.i was so happy with the loader I bought a second one and first mounted it on a 4020 powershift--instead of lengthening the rear frame tails I built new plates to bolt the fenders to that reached ahead far enough to u-bolt the tails to.after a short time we acquired 2 3020 powershifts and mounted both loaders on them and they are as nice a combination as you could ask for. |
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| The 720 is the JD replacement for a 148, the 725 for a 158. To detach, it's a pin for each stand, and the pin at the mast. Then the hydraulic hoses. Takes maybe 5 minutes.
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Central IL | Don't buy a bush hog. I wish I would have went with the Deere loader . |
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Northwest Iowa | I have had 40 westendorf on my 4020 since I bought it 37 years ago. Off and on in less than 5 minutes. I have the high pressure cylinders so it cycles fast. garvo is right for feedlot use, just get an endloader. I put a lot of hours on the 4020 scooping snow and poop. I would just take the loader off when going to the field. I used to do it once a day. I thought when they were designing the WL40, they had a 4020 to start with. I have an 8ft bucket and the tractor front end has been reworked. I put the loader on the 4430 now but the 4020 was just a little handier. |
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SW Minnesota | If all you are going to do with the loader is push snow or haul light stuff in the bucket, then you will be fine leaving the original wide front on. If you are going to use it for "normal" loader activities (lifting round bales, pushing/loading dirt, silage or manure), even if it's just occasionally, get a heavy-duty wide front for it right off the bat. Or you will end up doing it later anyway. Plus then you will have a damaged original wide front. BTDT... |
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ND | I looked around for awhile at Used JD loaders & they are way too high priced but they are good -so bought a Allied loader made in Fargo, ND by Buhler Co. Its a 795 model but maybe a 895 is a little heavier. It was about $2500 higher than a 158 but brand new. |
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