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18c ditch system | Most ppl increasing their acres of pioneer corn next year? They sure had a good year.
Edited by granto 11/24/2016 15:39
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SCMN | Exact opposite on our farm. Switching back to more DK. Planting more VT2's. Nothing was a disaster and 0589 was quite good so we're planting some more of that. Pioneer AM numbers were off quite a bit from the double pro DK and goosenecked really bad.
Edited by rollig 11/24/2016 16:34
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| Really good performance around central IL also. 1197 especially. |
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| My tenant planted a bit early number, the little ears didn't fall on every plant but the shucks opened and the late summer rains caused damaged kernels. Yield was OK but the damage dock made up for that.
Gerald J. |
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Dougherty, IA | Can they get me conventional numbers under $100? |
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Northeastern Pa | I will be planting more p this year. Seem dekalb had a off year here. Especially under 108 day. Had some 0506 that I was very impressed with, both in yield as well as grain quality. 54-40 was terrible here. Had major diplodia problems. Only problem with p is their lack of triples, most varieties are only doubles. |
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| 1197 had a horrible year here due to greensnap ( WCIA) |
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IL | Pioneer dropped some ears here, didn't handle the wind all that well compared to DK and their best corn(1197) was off the Deklab yield wise. Still planting some but order is down. |
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IL | dmanuel - 11/24/2016 14:05
1197 had a horrible year here due to greensnap ( WCIA)
It greensnapped here some and got wallered in general pretty bad from wind that wasn't even that bad. I'd hate to see the stuff if it got a bad wind I can only imagine..... Technology that reels...... |
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| have been all DK last two years, give a list to both DK and P the same number of units same treatment same traits , P was 9k under DK this year all about bottom line. in ohio |
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St. Joseph, Champaign County, IL | No pioneer here for several years. Pioneer salesman put 3 varieties on a field of ours, 2 years ago. The Dekalb Dad planted on the rest of the field, beat all 3 of the Pioneer varieties. |
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Mid-Michigan | 45Deere9670 - 11/24/2016 17:11
No pioneer here for several years. Pioneer salesman put 3 varieties on a field of ours, 2 years ago. The Dekalb Dad planted on the rest of the field, beat all 3 of the Pioneer varieties.
Did it beat it after seed costs were figured in? I really like dk corn but I just can't justify the cost. |
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St. Joseph, Champaign County, IL | Yes
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Dyersville, Ia. | Pioneer beat lg and DeKalb by 20 Bushels on my farm. Planting more pioneer |
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Fayette Co, Iowa | I try every yr too get some dekalb that is apples to apples with pioneer... Around my neck of the woods DeKalb is really proud of there seed corn.. I think the past 2 yrs there is 30 to 35 dollars per bag more for the dekalb. trait for trait.. Po157, po506, po339 is a tough corn to beat the past 2 seasons.... |
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NW Indiana | s205 - 11/24/2016 18:32
I try every yr too get some dekalb that is apples to apples with pioneer... Around my neck of the woods DeKalb is really proud of there seed corn.. I think the past 2 yrs there is 30 to 35 dollars per bag more for the dekalb. trait for trait.. Po157, po506, po339 is a tough corn to beat the past 2 seasons....
Takes 4 bu to make that up with $3.50 corn. Dekalb beats Pioneer by that plus more here. Guys get so worked up over a few dollars up front but get hosed on the back end. Would I rather pay less for seed well of course. But I can run a calculator and if the more expensive seed covers the higher price plus more then I'm planting it. Might be different in your neck of the woods but Dekalb etc are worth paying more for here. |
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Hoosier State of Indiana | Around here in SW Indiana, Pioneer had an awesome year...second best is Agrigld 6499. Dk has severe grain quality issues here also for us. Pioneer 1197, 1479, 1637, and 2089 were great for us. Bean wise the same, pioneer whipped everything. Seems a lot of times it's what best fits ones management style. |
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Camp Douglas Wi. 40miles nw of wi. dells | Pioneer doesn't even call on us anymore.
Dan |
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North Liberty and South Bend, Indiana | Was this a nationwide proven good year that i wasnt informed of? |
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| I planted Pioneer last year first time in 15 years. Yep buy 12 & i'll give you 6 more FREE. FREE CORN & 26 bushels less than my Dekalb & it was a combing mess when it's laying down. He heard though the grape vine his crappy FREE CORN cost me money from planting it & never called me again. You couldn't get me too plant that crap again. All dekalb here. |
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East Central, Nebraska | not around here they didn't. serious pollination and greensnap issues. i feel bad for the salesman that is out pushing pioneer in my area. |
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West Central IL | Does it come with a corn head reel? |
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EC ND | I am increasing my Pioneer acres by about 25% for next year. Their varieties have started to really perform in our area. |
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NW IL | Big P works for me here. With my management/dirt/whatever, it consistently does the same or better then everything else. We also enjoy the chemical rebate program and equipment reimbursement program.
There are a bunch of things I absolutely do not like, but can take a little bad with with all the good.
It always amazes me the guys on here that complain about pioneer standability. Yes we know, Pioneer does as well. It will blow over or snap in the summer and kink over in the fall. Get a wind endorsement on your hail policy or quit planting it you terds. The most important meeting I have in the spring is my crop insurance meeting. If you are going to plant it, know it's weaknesses and do what you can to eliminate your risk. |
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| farmer53 - 11/25/2016 16:09
Big P works for me here. With my management/dirt/whatever, it consistently does the same or better then everything else. We also enjoy the chemical rebate program and equipment reimbursement program.
There are a bunch of things I absolutely do not like, but can take a little bad with with all the good.
It always amazes me the guys on here that complain about pioneer standability. Yes we know, Pioneer does as well. It will blow over or snap in the summer and kink over in the fall. Get a wind endorsement on your hail policy or quit planting it you terds. The most important meeting I have in the spring is my crop insurance meeting. If you are going to plant it, know it's weaknesses and do what you can to eliminate your risk.
Really? That's your solution to pioneers problem.....buy insurance? How about pioneer fix THEIR issue or just plant something else. Sounds like a better solution to me |
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Ontario | Always quality issues with pioneer around here. Bad germ was notable this year. |
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Wallis, TX | Pioneer did TERRIBLE for us this year. At least 10 bushels less any field you went to. The refuge also beat it by 10 bushels everywhere we checked. Worst field was around 85 bushels when the area averaged at least 125, many farmers much more. |
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IL | AGB - 11/24/2016 14:25
45Deere9670 - 11/24/2016 17:11
No pioneer here for several years. Pioneer salesman put 3 varieties on a field of ours, 2 years ago. The Dekalb Dad planted on the rest of the field, beat all 3 of the Pioneer varieties.
Did it beat it after seed costs were figured in? I really like dk corn but I just can't justify the cost.
Only takes about 5-6 bpa to make up the cost difference here and it has been thrashing the P the last 8-10 years worse than that. Also stands better and dries down better than the P. I will say P is getting closer with 1197 but it doesn't seem to like the wind. |
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IL | Red Farm - 11/24/2016 15:49
s205 - 11/24/2016 18:32
I try every yr too get some dekalb that is apples to apples with pioneer... Around my neck of the woods DeKalb is really proud of there seed corn.. I think the past 2 yrs there is 30 to 35 dollars per bag more for the dekalb. trait for trait.. Po157, po506, po339 is a tough corn to beat the past 2 seasons....
Takes 4 bu to make that up with $3.50 corn. Dekalb beats Pioneer by that plus more here. Guys get so worked up over a few dollars up front but get hosed on the back end. Would I rather pay less for seed well of course. But I can run a calculator and if the more expensive seed covers the higher price plus more then I'm planting it. Might be different in your neck of the woods but Dekalb etc are worth paying more for here.
DKC yields better, stands better and dries down better than the competition. Most people understand that even though it's the highest priced it still provides a higher return than cheaper seed by a good margin. If people didn't understand that M wouldn't have as much market share as they do.
And yeah some off the wall company can have a number or 2 that might hang with or beat the DKC on any given year but I will take the top 5 DKC numbers in the 110-116 day range and put them up against the top 5 110-116 from any other company and I'd lay my money on the DKC outyielding the other companies any time.
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| Lol! That's like putting up a shop or machine shed and the company telling you how great their buildings are but would highly recommend buying a snow load policy. Saved their big gun 1197 for my best high fertility dirt and it crapped the bed. Side by side across 120 acres against 4 different hybrids. Got beat by 22,30,34 and 38 bu/acre. Green snap terrible. How much cheaper is a hybrid if a company highly suggest fungicide and now purchase wind insurance also? That's before yield losses like above. |
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Northeastern Pa. | No dealer here. The one that replaced two (not by dealers choice) is on the Augusta ad in the Lancaster Farming paper. Seedway all the way in 2017. |
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Thompsontown, Pennsylvania | ED.....from my understanding aren't you one of the dealers that got replaced? come on man, lets tell the truth instead of just deadpanning pioneer all the time? |
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NW IL | If you buy any kind of insurance policy for your buildings you will be covered for weight of ice and snow as it is a basic peril as a covered cause of loss, standard issue state mandated ISO form. I would think any company putting up a building would want you to carry it. Its just part of covering yourself and mitigating risk. Thats my point.
For a couple bucks an acre I can cover myself from those big ole derechos coming across the river every year.
And FYI, 1197 is not their racehorse. They have others I would use for that top end sprint. Here we put 1197 on the variable ground. 1311 would be your racehorse for the ground you speak of. However, we didn't use it much as it is a princess and can't handle lots of stressing factors to be great.
If 1197 only got beat by 22-38, and was green snap terrible, you know what would have been on the top if you got around that mid season wind.
I do kinda have Pioneer underwear currently, but I am a math guy. If Monsanto or Syngenta wants to start giving me a better bottom line, I'll use their seed and chemistry. Rebates on chemicals and contracting acres for seed discount really adds up.
Lastly, I would highly recommend looking into the last pass of fungicide and insecticide. I hate spending $30 an acre to do it but the point is that the seed and chemical manufacturers are all consolidating. Do you they will continue to release hybrids that do not respond to later season chemistry? I spray a couple fields every year and for the last few years it has paid every time on every one of them. I don't like it, but what can you do. |
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NW IL | Dekalb is wonderful and has about 35% market share.
Pioneer is wonderful and has about 35% market share.
Syngenta is wonderful and has about 6% market share.
I would plant dekalb but don't have dealers that can not compete on ballpark price. And as well, they don't have any chemical rebate programs or equipment programs for contracting acres.
So in reality, Dekalb needs to be across the board about 10 bu better then P. I have never been able to prove that with my management practices.
I will say that Dekalb is probably the way to go if you run your acres like intensive care rooms with IV's and such. That stuff loves to be fed at the right time. I am just not that good and have an off the farm job.
I would really like to go all Syngenta as I like my dealer but they can't yield with the rest and the biggest rebate program they have right now is the enogen deal. My local ethanol will never go for it so it's a waste of time for me. |
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NW Indiana | farmer53 - 11/27/2016 08:03
Dekalb is wonderful and has about 35% market share.
Pioneer is wonderful and has about 35% market share.
Syngenta is wonderful and has about 6% market share.
I would plant dekalb but don't have dealers that can not compete on ballpark price. And as well, they don't have any chemical rebate programs or equipment programs for contracting acres.
So in reality, Dekalb needs to be across the board about 10 bu better then P. I have never been able to prove that with my management practices.
I will say that Dekalb is probably the way to go if you run your acres like intensive care rooms with IV's and such. That stuff loves to be fed at the right time. I am just not that good and have an off the farm job.
I would really like to go all Syngenta as I like my dealer but they can't yield with the rest and the biggest rebate program they have right now is the enogen deal. My local ethanol will never go for it so it's a waste of time for me.
Dekalb has both chemical rebates and equipment programs here. Sounds like you have a lazy dealer or just aren't questioning them enough. But I agree you need to have a good relationship with your dealer no matter what the brand. |
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NW IL | I need to get a better Dekalb dealer then cause if they have all the extras then that puts them back on the table for me. |
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Northeastern Pa. | Never been a Pioneer dealer |
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