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Ripley, Ontario Canada | I have a 354 perkins engine that I would like to put a clutch and pto on to drive a forage blower, and maybe a pto genset and a manure pump. I have the engine in a combine that has died but the engine is ok. I am paying rent to get a tractor to run my blower when I have an engine sitting there that would do it if I had a few more parts. Putting it on a trailer will not be a problem since the engine has already been moved from a 510 massey to a gleaner and is already set up like a skid mount with the rad etc all mounted on 1 frame. I just have to add a fuel tank, but first I need to find a pto and bell housing. I need 540 rpm pto, but if I could get 1000 too that would be great. Where would I go looking for such parts? Canada would be nice, but I will go to U.S.
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Woodham, Ontario | TNT in Exeter should be able to set you up. Last time they showed me a reallly nice PTO unit that did both 540 and 1000. They do some work for draglines and specialize in backup generators. They work with all kinds of stuff.
http://www.kilowattgenerators.com/contents/contactus.html |
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NW VA | We got our 1000 rpm drive from these guys, they offer a setup with both 540 and 1000 drives.
Beiler Engine & Mfg LLC
1622 Georgetown Rd
CHRISTIANA, PA 17509
Tel: 717 529 6595 |
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Sac & Story county IA | Here is one;
http://cgi.ebay.com/6-Cylinder-Perkins-Diesel-Engine-Twin-Disc-SP11...
Those engines had about a zillion diferent castings at the back of the block. Combine engines didn't have an SAE housing so stuff would fit on them. You could do worse than use the combine output housing and pulley. And use the belt tightener clutch. Then, build a jackshaft for a PTO. Maybe 2 PTO's, one 1000 rpm, one 540 rpm.
Some older tractors had a seperate housing for PTO clutch and gears. The input shaft was engine speed. The PTO box reduced the speed, reversed the rotation and had a clutch. 560 Farmall comes to mind. Edit, maybe the 560 used that lower shaft that turned slower and backwards. Been too long since I have seen one apart. How about older Olivers? Been a long time since I saw one of those, too.
Edited by E718 9/14/2008 10:08
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Huntley Montana | <p>Couple of pillow blocks, a shaft, A pully & idler to match the belt drive of the gleaner, a little math, & a day in the shop. Use the idler to tighten the belt as the clutch. Figgure out what rpm you want the engine to run & find a pulley to give you the rpm you want. I'd say for 1000 rpm, I'd want 2000 rpm, & maybe for 540rpm, 1500rpm for fuel savings.</p><p>Just for giggles you might also want to check the output shafts of the gleaner gear box befor you remove the engine, 1 might have the right speed or close to it depending on what gear or varible drive setting. Might be able to use some of the drive stuff to get to where you want to be Maybe the Gleaner clutch might get you by. </p>
Edited by Badger 9/14/2008 12:27
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Ripley, Ontario Canada | The Gleaner is a straight shaft off the engine, engine rpm=shaft rpm and no clutch. The belt is an odd size and way too long. For my application on forage blower I can use all the power from the engine so I will need 2000+ rpm on the engine for 540 pto. I could still go that route but I was hoping not too. |
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Ripley, Ontario Canada | Dennis that is what I am trying to do, although I don't need the engine. That is a little far away and the shipping would likely be more than the bid to buy it. My engine is currently set up the same way for the Gleaner since there was just one big belt on the end of the engine and you slid the engine to tighten the belt. Therefore everything had to be mounted to the engine and it all sits on 2 heavy pieces of angle iron. |
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Huntley Montana | Belt is not that "odd sized" I'd bet you can find 1 that would make it to where the 2 sheeves are within inches of each other, I'd want 1-2' apart. It's just a large V belt. That perkins is more HP than 540 pto is "sposta " take, so you could idle it some down from 2000 rpm. Could spend the $$$ & get a ROCKFORD clutch for the perkins & then use a set of jack shafts, belts, & pullys (3.5 to 1 would be close) to get to 540 rpm for the blower. I think if you google ROCKFORD CLUTCHS you'll find a bunch of supplyers. I got 1 out of Canada yrs ago cheaper than the states. Call them all, some have prices 1/2 of the others.
You might look that old gleaner over closer, It might have a ROCKFORD clutch down stairs that might bolt onto the perkins. I rember changing a clutch 30 yrs ago on a old C2. Don't rember too much about it, but it had some simalarties to a Rockford. But if you could find a shorter belt that would give you a clutch for starting the engine. Let the blower spin as the engine is warming up/cooling down. I'm not sure the blower would be much of a drag when starting the engine.
I'm a cheapskate, hate to $pend a lot of money on certian things.
I Buy new pickups, sawthers & Balers, rest I buy used |
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Ripley, Ontario Canada | Badger
It just happens that this engine is on a C2. The main drive belt is a gleaner special, way bigger than any belt I can buy at farm supply store, it will be an inch wide or more at top and about 250 inches long. I never thought of taking the clutch off the transmission and putting it on the engine. I have had that apart, I put a new clutch in it not that many hours ago. If it went on it would drive too fast but I could do the belt thing to slow down. It might not be that hard to make an adapter plate. I need 100 hp on the blower so that should push the perkins pretty good with no turbo on it I think. I don't think it has been turned up either. |
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Huntley Montana | Check with a bearing house, I've seen those large belts elsewhere & shorter. But if you could run the trans with the clutch you might find a gear that would give you 500-600 rpm on the output. Then you could ajust engine rpm to get to the 540. |
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NW Washington | If I am not mistaken the output rotation of an engine must be reversed to get the same rotation as a tractor pto. The engine-pto conversion lash-ups use gears to reduce the engine speed to 1000 or 540 rpm which also gives you the correct direction of rotation. |
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Huntley Montana | But if it is the wrong direction with a belt drive setup , then you just drive off the other side. Not the other side of the engine, but the other side of the belt. 1 side will be clockwise & the other side will be counter clockwise.
Might want to see where the engine can sit so you can put the pully & jackshaft on the "right" side so the engine os out of the way when using. |
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Stationary Engine PTO housing
