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| I am looking at a 1992 R62 and a 1990 R70 combine. Wondering what the main differences are between the two. They both have the deutz, both roughly 4000 engine hrs 2500 separator. Same price for both but the 70 come with 2 headers. Should the 62 be worth that much more? Any advise out there is appreciated. |
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North Central Texas | Yes it should be worth more imo. R70s usually bring way less, as much as half. Still has a bunch of n7 design in it and the old school cab. R62 was the machine they got right. My preference is 94 and up with a cummins. |
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SE North Dakota | The R70 is turbocharged where the 92 R62 were not they had the same motor as the R60. 93s and newer were turbocharged. 62s were good machines but the 92 did not have.near the updates that a 94 had. Tough call. 70 will have more horsepower and better fuel economy |
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Cambridge, southwestern Nebraska | the 62 is a newer design very similar to what Gleaner has today. The 70 is of the older N series design. The 62 is much simpler in design and easier to maintain. I would definitely go with the 62. |
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Ludington/Manistee MI area | Shop till you find a Cummins. We had a Duetz powered R52 and fought the motor the whole time. Now we run a Cummins powered R62. |
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| Tomcat, what problems did you have with the deutz? |
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Northeast Indiana (Auburn) | We used a R62 for corn last fall. The V8 Deutz with twin turbos had a mean sound at idle but sure ran good at full rpms and had plenty of power. The one we used was a 1993 per the dealer. The R62 is a lot better machine than the R70 and unless you run a 8 row head in 250 bu corn the R62 will be your best choice. |
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Ludington/Manistee MI area | Mostly firing rings |
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Sanilac Co. Michigan | That 1990 r70 might be a real bargain! See, I think that the r60 and r70's had the p3 processor by 1989 1/2 and that's the same processor, for all practical purposes, as they run yet today. As far as the 92 r62, it's basically a glorified late model r60 or r70. Same engine, though one's turboed. Really noticable differences would be styling, for what ever that's worth. The only functional change that comes to mind would be header tilt adjustment on the feeder house. The r40, r50, r60, r70 and previous models didn't have that feature.
One way to tell whether or not the r70 has the p3 without climbing in is to look and see if its got a stylised hawk decal on the side of the combine. That would indicate it's part of the hawk series. I believe that's when the p3 was introduced to the r60 r70.
As far as the deutz motor is concerned, they really are good power units and no one ever complained about fuel efficiency, but.....you have to be compulsive about keeping them clean and not allowing any oil leaks. If you blow out the cooling fins and the oil coolers on a very regular basis, you will be rewarded with pretty trouble free service.
If you go into the engine compartment and there's obvious oil leaks, walk away.
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NC KS | If you ever combine green stemmed soybeans, the straw chute on an R70 can make a guy loose his sanity. If it has the raddle chain in it, it will probably work but more stuff to wear out.
R70 P3 still has that cage sweep-another problem area eliminated in the 62. Some 62s with Duetz was turboed as they ran out of non turboed engines during assembly.
R70 would have to be dirt cheap (less than $5000 in my books) to even consider it. |
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| What does everyone mean by the p3 processor? |
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Eastern Ont | 62 has a nicer cab too. |
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NC KS | The P3 used the same bars as the 62s and 72s and the cage itself was almost the same instead of being like the N6s and N7s. The P3s had more clearance between the cage and the bars. That wasn't always a good thing but was generally better for soybeans and corn. |
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Central Texas | Had a 70, early 62 with Deutz, now 62 with Cummins. I would definitely go with the 62. Lots of improvements on the 2 series and much more user friendly. I was probably more disappointed with the 70 than any other machine I've had. The early 62 I had would do more in a day than the 70 any day. |
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NW KS/ SC ID | If the R70 is truly a 90, it will be a P3 Processor, which is improved.
What are the headers?
I would check condition of each, pay attention to the bars, cage, accelerator rolls, feeder chains, etc.
a 2 series has fewer drives, but there is nothing wrong with a well taken care of R70. Plus, IMO a R7 or R70 has got to be one of the best looking machines out there. :)
Who has each combine? I imagine the R70 would be easier to negotiate than the R62. Mind if you tell us some prices? |
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| The 62 is sitting on a dealer lot and needs some attention, nothing major I don't think, but would be sold as is and I would need to get it in shape. The 72 is an individual, it comes with a 30' rigid header and a 25' flex head which I don't need but would try to maybe sell or trade for a corn head. It has had new cylinder bars 2 years ago, all new belts 3 years ago, and all new injectors in the deutz put in 4 years ago. Both asking prices are $20,000. |
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NW KS/ SC ID | By description alone, I think the R70 sounds like the better deal. |
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Sanilac Co. Michigan | From the sound of it, I'd lean towards the R70. I wonder what model heads. Could they be 500 series, or are they 300 series? Good heads could be worth 1/3 to 1/2 the selling price. |
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| Found out some more info.....the guy thought the 30, rigid header was a 400 series? Does that sound right? And the 25' flex head is a 300 series. Also it has the older style cage with the sweep. I personally haven't seen the combine yet as its over 4 hours away, I was gonna run all this by you guys to see what you thought if it's even worth my time. |
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North Central Texas | 400 series is a good header. Much stouter than a 300. Should have closed sided and smaller reel. |
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NW KS/ SC ID | R70 will have the sweep, but if it truly is a 1990, it s the P3 with the better front to back sweep as opposed to the side to side one. |
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Kingdom of Callaway - Fulton, Mo 65251 | GM Guy - 8/3/2016 20:16
R70 will have the sweep, but if it truly is a 1990, it s the P3 with the better front to back sweep as opposed to the side to side one.
Hi Robert -
Was that change the same on the R60? I have a 1991 R60 going in the shop next week to get ready for fall. |
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| You have mail GM Guy. |
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NW KS/ SC ID | yes, same as R60, both big chassis.
I am not certain what the little 40 and 50 ran.
I too picked up a 91 R60, but I can almost guarantee yours is cleaner, and I have no idea what yours looks like. :) |
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Sanilac Co. Michigan | GM Guy - 8/5/2016 22:48
yes, same as R60, both big chassis.
I am not certain what the little 40 and 50 ran.
I too picked up a 91 R60, but I can almost guarantee yours is cleaner, and I have no idea what yours looks like. :)
Both the 40 and 50 had the original p3 processor....60 and 70 didn't get that until the Hawk series sometime after 1989.
40 and 50 used the same basic Deutz 6 jug motor, only the 50 was turbocharged. |
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