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South Western Ontario, Canada | I just bought a fast hitch off of a 400 (apparently) it has two hydraulic cylinders and no rock shaft.
Does anyone have this type of fast hitch? Can you take few pictures of how and where the cylinders mount please?
Was going to make mounts to put it on a Farmall M and possibly the 450 in few years time. I have no desire to alter the mounts on the hitch to keep it as original as possible so I will build adaptors to mate the two.
Any extra hint and tips will be greatly appreciated.
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Walnut Grove MN USA | M, 400, and 450 are all the same, shouldn't have to make mounts. There were a number of aftermarket three points made for those. Usually cylinder mounts to part of the three point framework. |
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45 miles south spingfield il. | I thought factory fast hitch was one cylinder. A lot of aftermarket three pt had two. |
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South Western Ontario, Canada | mike in sw mn - 7/7/2016 10:30
M, 400, and 450 are all the same, shouldn't have to make mounts. There were a number of aftermarket three points made for those. Usually cylinder mounts to part of the three point framework.
From what I have read online the rearends are different atleast the M to the 400. I haven't measured or test fitted yet to be sure.
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South Western Ontario, Canada | marlinpain - 7/7/2016 10:41
I thought factory fast hitch was one cylinder. A lot of aftermarket three pt had two.
That's what I had thought too! Have seen a picture from a distance that shows one cylinder vertical and using some type of arm that bolts to platform beside the seat. That matches the hitch I have but platform doesn't have any bolt holes that match.
Other cylinder looks like it stays vertical towards the front.
This is a fast hitch. Has the prongs not balls to hook up too.
Will get pictures shortly
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SE PA | I think the earlier part of the runs of the 3 and 400's had the Fast Hitch with two cylinders. I restored our 300 that has two and the other one I used for parts has two. These hitches have a cylinder on the left side of the hitch connected to and arm that bolts next to the battery box with one big bolt and two smaller ones if I remember right. Those top covers may be different I think then the M. Assuming this is going on a straight M? That arm and cylinder raises and lowers the hitch then there's a cylinder that bolts to the side of the tractor to change the angle of the hitch, this cylinder was optional though and the hitch can be pinned in place and not use a cylinder there. I don't have any pictures handy I don't think can try to look or get some later. I'm not sure you can use the second cylinder on the M because I don't know if it has the cast holes for the mount or whether you can make a mount for it either. I would hazard a guess that it would be easier to put it on the 450 then M. If I remember my research from the 300, a hitch of the later style is the one you want to put on the latter series, but I would do some double checking on that. |
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| Jeff's correct, the M doesn't have the bosses needed to mount a fast hitch. SMTAs have the bosses on their rear ends but don't have the hd deck top that the 400 had to mount the arm for the hyd clyinder on the fast hitch. The 450 fast hitch is different from the ones on the early 400s. A 450 FH would be easer to install on an M but will require so major design work to get it attached. IIRC, the 400 FH had only one hyd cylinder & it attached to the left rear corner of the operator's deck. |
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South Western Ontario, Canada | Red Marker - 7/7/2016 12:18
I think the earlier part of the runs of the 3 and 400's had the Fast Hitch with two cylinders. I restored our 300 that has two and the other one I used for parts has two. These hitches have a cylinder on the left side of the hitch connected to and arm that bolts next to the battery box with one big bolt and two smaller ones if I remember right. Those top covers may be different I think then the M. Assuming this is going on a straight M? That arm and cylinder raises and lowers the hitch then there's a cylinder that bolts to the side of the tractor to change the angle of the hitch, this cylinder was optional though and the hitch can be pinned in place and not use a cylinder there. I don't have any pictures handy I don't think can try to look or get some later. I'm not sure you can use the second cylinder on the M because I don't know if it has the cast holes for the mount or whether you can make a mount for it either. I would hazard a guess that it would be easier to put it on the 450 then M. If I remember my research from the 300, a hitch of the later style is the one you want to put on the latter series, but I would do some double checking on that.
Yes its a straight M.
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SE PA | Yes thats the old style. The cylinder that is still attached to the hitch bolts into two holes in the center section of the tractor.
I'm not sure if those holes are in the castings of an M or not.
The arm would bolt to the top cover but if the holes are not there I guess it will have to fasten to something else. The cylinder beside the hitch fastens to the arm at the top and to the arm between the hitch socket and the draw bar.
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| Having had a 400, 350, and 560 I will stick my neck out on this. You have a fast hitch designed for the 400, it will not work on an M (It might work on a Super MTA) without all kinds of tinkering and even then I doubt it. It is different than the fast hitch for the 450 and beyond, it may fit a 450 if there are the right holes in the operators platform. The second cylinder goes on the rightside of the tractor under the belt pulley and its purpose is to level the hitch front to back. It is generally not necessary except for an imlement like a plow.
Good luck on your project.
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| Got one on a MTA just like that Factory installed |
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| I am not surprised since the MTA had the forged cultivator mounts in front. But I am pretty sure it would not fit the M or Super M.
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South Western Ontario, Canada | Thanks Dave,
Looks like that old gal needs some work to do and some lovin.
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South Western Ontario, Canada | Thanks Red Marker,
The cylinders were attached when I bought it, I stripped it down for ease of moving around and wiggling by hand to start lining stuff up. That second cylinder had me wondering where it would attach. I kept scratching my head at it.
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| I don't have any pictures of the hitch for my Dad's 400 on this laptop, but here is a link to a picture of his tractor in Tractor Data (click on the top photo for a closer view). This should show where the horizontal cylinder mounts. This cylinder changes the pitch of the fast hitch, which would be the equivalent of changing the length of the top link on a three point hitch.
The other cylinder mounts vertically on the left side arm and platform mount. The second link shows pictures of this mounting. Note that this tractor doesn't have the side/horizontal cylinder. If the side/horizontal cylinder isn't present, it could be set as a fixed pitch.
The fast hitch from my Dad's 400 came off of an MTA. It fit, but required a spacer block to mount the arm to the platform, and I don't think the side/horizontal cylinder could be used because the belly bracket couldn't be bolted on.
http://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/000/3/2/326-farmall-400-ph...
http://www.chatstractors.com/041058_farmall400.htm
Edited by Charlie SEMN 7/7/2016 21:39
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