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west central illinois | Iv been brain storming after getting my last hay grinding bill for 1200 bucks to grind junk hay I'm using to custom background calves. I'm thinking man there's gota be a better way. Where I'm located it's all irritated sand ground and pretty much all farmer by one guy. I'm thinking about seeing if he would let me plant some triticale on say 40 acres of his ground and paying him say 50 bucks an acre for the opertunity and after I harvest it he can go ahead and plant his corn. It'll cheapen up his cash rent so that's a win for him and as far the yield hit I'm not sure how that will work. It's very poor ground in the First place so its yield potential is low to begin with. Does anyone have thoughts on this? All the ground I have at my feedlot is in cornsilage production and I winter my cows on it so it's pretty much destroyed by the time spring comes here or I would do this on my own ground. But if I'm doing my math right if a 10 Ton triticale crop is grown it's still half as much per ton as my junk hay I'm feeding now. Plus it's way better feed. Shoot holes in this for me please. |
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Eastern Half of Kansas | Can't comment to corn and irrigation it, we're planting beans after triticale, we're seeing no yield loss on beans. It's tough to get triticale put up in spring with wet weather and to get triticale in the boot or milk, I haven't done it yet and in a month will be the 4th year. Also for us, it's a terrible time of year, finish planting corn, moving cows to grass and first cutting alfalfa. I have triticale and 4010 forage planted this year, it will be a change from straight triticale we've been planting. Also what happens when you can't get triticale made or plow it out? |
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west central illinois | Hmmm I guess I never thought about not being able to get it off the field. The sandy ground is the type that if it an inch one day you'll be to run equipment 48 hours later plus the triticale will suck a lot of moisture out of the ground. |
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Eastern Half of Kansas | True it will dry much better than our clay. It's always a concern with these spring crops. |
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North Central Illinois | Would you be applying fertilizer on your dime to replace the nutrients removed in the forage? If not, your $50 offer doesn't really gain the corn grower anything much at all. |
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west central illinois | Yes I'd put on what ever it took off either with commercial fert or cattle manure |
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The Green Hills of Missouri | He must check his leasing agreement. Most say no sub leasing, so best check with owner or FM.
If that can be worked out maybe seed trit the years he has beans and seed twice as many acres and bag it then the corn years you would still have feed. |
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St-Eugene, Ontario | What is the going rate for renting land in the area? If the rent is $150/a then this is a sweet deal, if rent is $350/a then it's not worth the risk of possibly not getting the crop planted timely because of delays in harvest or possible ruts from harvesting or manure spreading. This will be my third year ensiling a winter cereal. I like it, 1st time was rye, second triticale (yielded quite a bit more, similar quality)and this year half is straight triticale and half triticale/Austrian winter pea mix. As far north as I am in eastern Ontario I have to plant beans after trit or else I would have a big yield penalty on corn planted so late (beginning June). Beans made 55 bushels after triticale last year :) |
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Buffalo IL | Would probably be better to use rye as it is earlier maturing, but for corn still need to wait two weeks to plant after is killed. Beans can be planted as soon as triticale or rye is harvested. I also wouldn't mind the manure, but I would want it applied in the fall to avoid spring compaction. Corn after rye can be pretty iffy on yield. Messes up crop insurance as it makes beans a second crop classification, but with the cover crops occurring not real noticeable.
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East, Central Ontario | Ive been wondering about that, so when do you plant the trit and peas? after your corn and before beans then? Im north of Belleville in east ont. I could do that after we take off earlage in mid October. |
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Ridgway, IL | Maybe just buy standing corn from the guy and have it chopped this summer...and use more silage
By the time you get all the nutrients replaced, pay the operator fair rent, and deal with any issues like muddy field conditions when you're trying to harvest and delaying the operators spring cash crop.... Id bet the cost per ton isn't much cheaper than corn silage.
Using the old rule of 10x corn price, you'd be 35-38$/ton put in a bag at your farm. That's pretty cost effective, and simple.
Edited by LKM 4/10/2016 07:34
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Sunnyside, WA | IL cow man - 4/10/2016 04:39
Would probably be better to use rye as it is earlier maturing, but for corn still need to wait two weeks to plant after is killed. Beans can be planted as soon as triticale or rye is harvested.
Why does corn have to wait 2 weeks to be planted after triticale is harvested? We have been double cropping triticale and corn for 15 years. Now I no til the corn the same day we chop triticale. No need to wait at all |
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St-Eugene, Ontario | I planted triticale and trit/peas after corn silage. Hoping peas will bump up protein, I'll have to wait and see. I'll try to post something about it after I harvest. |
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Buffalo IL | I can't think of the term, but is the same situation on wheat here. The grain farmer isn't going to want to wait until may to get his corn planted in IL if he can get it done in April also.. LKM has the best solution buy the corn for silage. Also can put manure back on the chopped ground. |
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SW Ohio | Tell us more about why you wait to plant corn after trit. We have one field of trit and plan to wet wrap it and go to corn ASAP. |
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Sunnyside, WA | IL cow man - 4/10/2016 06:43
I can't think of the term, but is the same situation on wheat here. The grain farmer isn't going to want to wait until may to get his corn planted in IL if he can get it done in April also.. LKM has the best solution buy the corn for silage. Also can put manure back on the chopped ground.
Yes, the toxicity can be there, but only if you wait too long to kill the triticale. I no til corn then wait 2-3 weeks to spray with roundup to kill the triticale. The longer you wait in the boot stage, the more yellow the stem will be and the triticale will grow back slower. I so spray one more time when corn is knee high, just before canopy, to get broad leaves |
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Sunnyside, WA | Hay Hud Ohio - 4/10/2016 06:57
Tell us more about why you wait to plant corn after trit. We have one field of trit and plan to wet wrap it and go to corn ASAP.
There can be toxicity, but no need to wait. No til works great into triticale. Row cleaners are optional, Keeton seed firmer are good, and some down pressure springs on the row units. Very easy to no til into triticale stubble since the triticale tends to suck most of the moisture out of the ground
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North Central Illinois | Unless the lease specifies the crop rotation, some sort of custom arrangement could be made so the primary tenant is in charge and is just selling a crop and hiring the planting and harvesting. |
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Breckenridge, MI | You're in a different climate than I am but we did peas and trit last spring. Drilled May 1 and it was ready June 20. Made very good feed but I'm not sure how much of a second crop we could've gotten had we went to row crops afterwards. |
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North Central OH | Hay Hud Ohio - 4/10/2016 09:57
Tell us more about why you wait to plant corn after trit. We have one field of trit and plan to wet wrap it and go to corn ASAP.
No experience with it, but from researching different covers Trit can have some of the alleopathy effect that cereal rye can towards corn. The chance is low but it is possible, doesn't look like I have to worry about as the trit we tired did come up so well last fall(but the radish planted with it survived the winter). |
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East, Central Ontario | What are you getting for yields on the triticale? Just wondering if its worth it cause im sure you would take a 5 or 10 bushel bean hit. |
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St-Eugene, Ontario | Triticale yield was huge last spring, around 6-8 tons/acre, it yielded twice as much as our first cut of alfalfa. Tested 17% protein |
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Triticale silage and double cropping?
