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s.e. Pa | Mostly just curious. I see an AGCO Allis 9745 in the classifieds. I currently own an AC 8030 mfwd that is pretty nice. Same hours on both machines. The price on the AGCO Allis is not much more than my old Allis is worth. Are there problems with those AGCO Allis tractors, or is this a good upgrade? Not much on the internet on those tractors. Josh
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| The early 9700 series of Agco Allis were decent mechanically but a nightmare with the electronics on the transmission. Engine wise the 145 HP and below were powered with Sisu engines The bigger ones used 40 Series Detroits . The Detroits were electronic and had some issues with that and the high pressure fuel systems . The A/C units were not large enough and on hot sunny days did not keep up . The 9700s were very similar to the Masseys of the time and were built in France . |
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NCOhio | We have a 1998 Massey 8280. This has the larger 8.4 Sisu engine. The Agco Allis 9745 would have the 6.6 l Sisu. at about 145 pto hp. We have an AC 8050. The cab on the Agco Allis is smaller and that would be the main disadvantage. The 18 speed Funk powershift is better than the AC. The Sisu engine is probably better. We haven't had too much trouble with our 8280. We had to change the shift controller on the steering column. We also changed most of the hydraulic cartriges on the rear of the tractor. Ours was made in Coldwater, Ohio plant. They closed that in 2000 and the 2001 and after were made in France. |
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Shelburne Ontario Canada | 9700 agco . If u would check in a dictionary under description for elecric nightmare good chance it would say for example 9700 series agco tractors.
Wen they work it not a bad tractor but most wiring just isnt good enuf . Neighbours 8410 white which is same time built is a nightmare to . If 3pt works ,pto might not . If that all works then good chance it wont drive . The early sisu started very bad at 32 degrees |
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central ohio..between Springville and Millbrook. | I think it's kinda like being married. Ya see something a lil younger, a lil prettier, and it catches your eye...but deep down you know it would be nothing but high maintenance and a pain in the ass. Keep the one you have :)
I love the 8xxx series
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Thompsontown, Pennsylvania | lol!!! |
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Liberty, MO | That's the reason I like my 91 series DA's, 9190 & 9150, plain and simple, for a simple minded farmer.
Edited by olwhda 2/18/2016 16:16
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meade co. sw, ks | My dad had a 9745 with a loader on it. Bought it new. Brightest pos he ever owned. I thought it was a slick tractor for about 15 minutes until first electrical issue showed up. Lights never would stay on either. Finally to ago to shove it. Got in lawsuit over the deal and lemon law which we won. Went back to John Deere tractors again after that, bought a new 7710 which he still has even though he doesn't farm. Pulls a baler with it for me though |
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s.e. Pa | Lol. I guess the Allis is pretty reliable. I'd still send it down the road for the right white 140.
Josh |
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NW Washington | This says it has a Sisu engine. http://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/002/2/3/2236-agco-allis-97... |
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KY | Electrical is not as bad as everyone makes it sound. That tractor was made in the era when Agco started really adding a lot of electronics to their tractors and a lot of the components were not up to snuff. If you were to run part numbers of electrical parts (I.e switches and sensors and even controllers) I would be willing to bet that most would change part numbers, some several times. Agco has improved a lot of electrical components in the last few years as well as software.
The main thing would be talk to the owner and find out what problems he has had and what has been done to it. Second thing is you need a good dealer with a competent service department. I know with Agco that can be difficult sometimes. |
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central - east central Minnesota - | EquipmentUser - 2/18/2016 17:39 Electrical is not as bad as everyone makes it sound. That tractor was made in the era when Agco started really adding a lot of electronics to their tractors and a lot of the components were not up to snuff. If you were to run part numbers of electrical parts (I.e switches and sensors and even controllers) I would be willing to bet that most would change part numbers, some several times. Agco has improved a lot of electrical components in the last few years as well as software. The main thing would be talk to the owner and find out what problems he has had and what has been done to it. Second thing is you need a good dealer with a competent service department. I know with Agco that can be difficult sometimes. Well, your reply defiantly made me think - Why, why would anyone bother .. . . . .. Almost a SURE bet, it'll give you problems. But, at least parts maybe available. Even if someone gave you the tractor - it'll likely give problems and why would someone want to take on problems ?
My buying decisions are based on getting out of or over problems - not take on new ones . . .. . Just my perspective after reading all the reply's . . .. . . .. |
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ND | Which of these Allis tractors had the Duetz engines-the larger HP ones-the ones over 125 HP? |
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Nc ind | We have a full line of allis charmers and agco allis's. The 8030 is not used very much because nobody wants to drive it rough ride, ergo with throttle way up on the side. 9670 allis has a duetz engine the most economical tractor we have. Now the 9745 agco allis and the rt 100 are the most used tractors on the farm, real comfortable to drive and view out of the cab is unreal. |
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E.Central MN | Maybe Agco should recall them and put in the updated controls/sensors, etc if it works so good now? Or does the tractor owner foot the bill for their trial and error engineering? |
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| PeteMN - 2/18/2016 19:04 Maybe Agco should recall them and put in the updated controls/sensors, etc if it works so good now? Or does the tractor owner foot the bill for their trial and error engineering?
The tractor in question was built in 1998 and has 6200 hrs on it. Its dang near old enough to vote.
Do you really think AGCO should do anything other than provide parts and service at the tractor owners expense? Farmers have been footing the bill on trial and error engineering for as long as equipment companies have been selling equipment to farmers. Not everything fails while under warranty but that doesn't mean its a good design.
I wouldn't be scared of it at that price IF I had someone local to work on it that knew what they were working on. That is where you get into trouble with stuff other than green and red, you might have a hard time finding someone that has experience working on them.
With that said I'd have to ask why the OP wants to "upgrade". He's not really moving up in size. Might gain a few creature features but for the most part there isn't enough difference to spend any money trading those two and the newer one will almost certainly cost more to keep running, IMO.
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IA | Besides a few mfwd parts, I would almost bet there are more 8000 series parts available now then for a 9745. Reason being these tractors share alot of components with the 7000 series. I would keep the 8030 if it was me. Less electronic to go wrong and the 426 @ 135hp will live a long time. Trans and rear end also. Nice looking tractor BTW. Still no better cab in that era than the 8000 series.
Edited by drk 2/18/2016 20:43
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E.Central MN | I'm just wondering why so many guys had trouble from the start, its hardly something that will encourage customers to be loyal to the brand. |
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east central Indiana | We run a 9775 and a 9765..there was an update on the 18 pin main harness connector on the left side of the motor that we had done fought a few electrical issues until that was updated. Since then been pretty trouble free. I'd check to make sure it's been done. We really like our tractors big hp for less money.. 20k more would have put us in a deere of the same size and year with 3k more hrs. I couldn't see the that pencil out. But I also can't pencil $300 rent so maybe I'm doing it wrong. |
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| The 9170 & 9190 and then the 9670 & 9690 used the large displacement Deutz engines. Reliable and powerful. |
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