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old boy
Posted 1/8/2016 03:03 (#5020071)
Subject: How are the results for Sabrex and quick roots and others


See Monsanto is testing soil and seed innoculants
Any body using Sabrex quick roots studies

Edited by old boy 1/8/2016 12:37
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R S FARM
Posted 1/8/2016 05:57 (#5020127 - in reply to #5020071)
Subject: RE: How are the results for Sabres and quick roots and others


I have used quick roots on soybeans side by side weigh wagon 2 different fields 2 1/2 -2 3/4 bushel increase using the stuff verses straight inoculant. Will put on more acres this year. Did not try it on corn.
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Jay NE Ohio
Posted 1/8/2016 07:20 (#5020267 - in reply to #5020071)
Subject: RE: How are the results for Sabrex



northeastern Ohio
Here is a corn plot from 2015 in Winchester, IL that was done by Prairieland FS: http://www.prairielandfs.com/agronomy/Documents/2015%20plots/Winche...
Force + Starter: 171.1
Starter: 177.25
Force + Starter + Sabrex: 184.16
Starter + Sabrex: 185.6
Force + Sabrex: 175.7
Sabrex: 177.0

Here is another one they did at another location this year: http://www.prairielandfs.com/agronomy/Documents/2015%20plots/Adams_...
Dkc62-08 with Sabrex: 230 bu
Dkc62-08: 224 bu

Here's one from Minnesota: http://kunerthseedcenter.com/WordPress/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/T...
DKC48-12 with Sabrex: 217.5
DKC48-12: 213.6





Edited by Jay NE Ohio 1/8/2016 07:33
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Pvafarm
Posted 1/8/2016 07:38 (#5020313 - in reply to #5020267)
Subject: RE: How are the results for Sabres and quick roots and others


Southeast WI
Prairieland had something good going there but they didn't have a zero anything plot. Also after opening the link and looking that wasn't a good plot - it wasn't really replicated as I don't understand why it was set up that way. And do you see the bounce between same treatments? You can't get any info out of that plot.
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9670guy
Posted 1/8/2016 08:01 (#5020383 - in reply to #5020071)
Subject: RE: How are the results for Sabres and quick roots and others


NW IL
I have used it in 2 different years across multiply hybrids. Always split the planter. The results are always the same here 0 to 2 bu decrease. They have asked me to try it again next year. I'm expecting they will owe me and the wife a steak dinner this time when it doesn't perform.

You'll have to throw the 5989 out of the trial, because if you look at the acres it was not replicated evenly.

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mafrif
Posted 1/8/2016 08:11 (#5020406 - in reply to #5020071)
Subject: RE: How are the results for Sabres and quick roots and others



NC Iowa

Tried sabrex split planted over 80 acres and the results were the same as 9670.  If you want to read some interesting articles google "corn root sloughing".  Just because a plant has bigger roots does not mean that it will increase yield, there are many benefits of sloughing roots.

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RealFarmer
Posted 1/8/2016 08:26 (#5020438 - in reply to #5020406)
Subject: RE: How are the results for Sabres and quick roots and others


Same results here just like a 2 cylinder John Deere hit and miss !!!
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Jay NE Ohio
Posted 1/8/2016 09:32 (#5020631 - in reply to #5020313)
Subject: RE: How are the results for Sabres and quick roots and others



northeastern Ohio
Pvafarm - 1/8/2016 07:38

Prairieland had something good going there but they didn't have a zero anything plot. Also after opening the link and looking that wasn't a good plot - it wasn't really replicated as I don't understand why it was set up that way. And do you see the bounce between same treatments? You can't get any info out of that plot.


I am not going to question their methods because I don't know any more about the plot than what is in the link. If I average the "no Sabrex" treatments against the "Sabrex" treatments, I see a 6.4 bushel advantage to the Sabrex treatments. Alone, that plot may not be valid, but when you combine with the other two plots I posted, they average 5.5 bushel gain with the Sabrex. That is pretty consistent with what I have seen in the plots over the past 7 years.
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Iowa_OFN
Posted 1/8/2016 10:00 (#5020673 - in reply to #5020438)
Subject: RE: How are the results for Sabres and quick roots and others


We (On Farm Network) have done a handful of Quickroots trials in Iowa in 2012 & 2015. Like others have said pretty mixed results.
The link below shows the results. Selecting "Trial Summary" to the right will display the details of the individual trials.

http://www.isafarmnet.com/onlinedb/?year%5B%5D=all&crop%5B%5D=all&t...

Thanks
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Jim Dandy
Posted 1/8/2016 10:30 (#5020745 - in reply to #5020438)
Subject: You better tune up your 2 cylinder...just saying



NW Illinois Stephenson county
You better tune up your 2 cylinder...just saying or maybe get the carb rebuilt.
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PotsdamNate
Posted 1/8/2016 11:26 (#5020869 - in reply to #5020071)
Subject: RE: How are the results for Sabres and quick roots and others


Southeast MN
Have tried Sabrex, Quickroots, Ascend, Torque and challenge 2050. In field trials across many acres. Bigger roots, yes. More yield, No.
However I do have customers that use quickroots and have had success.
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JimmyP
Posted 1/8/2016 17:44 (#5021575 - in reply to #5020071)
Subject: Warning: This is our product


Lancaster, OH
This is a product we released last year. These are from 3rd party researchers in replicated testing including private and university researchers. More information is on the link below but I won't "sell" anymore than present this information which will be released shortly.

Take Off ST seed treatment comparisons against no Take Off ST. Fungicides/insecticide consistent between comparisons.

Corn, 7 states, two years, 3 bushels average w/62% wins. Average win 7.5 bushels
Spring Wheat, 4 states, two years, 1.5 bushels, 67% wins. Average win 2.9 bushels.
Winter Wheat, 10 states, two years, 2.3 bushels, 67% wins. Average win 4.3 bushels.
Soybeans, 7 states, two years, 1.1 bushels, 78% wins. Average win 2 bushels (no inoculant)

Just finished compiling the 2015 data. Overall, seed treatments had less impact in 2015 than in 2014 across the US. Some areas still had consistent increases, others not so much. As a group, the instance of positive response and the magnitude was less. These results span 2014 & 2015 and averages for both years.

http://www.vlsci.com/products/seed-treatments-inoculants/take-off-s...

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WTF2014
Posted 1/8/2016 18:59 (#5021782 - in reply to #5020071)
Subject: RE: How are the results for Sabrex and quick roots and others


CIL
for us....quickroots=snake oil. Absolutely no difference in yield despite trying it in the same field across several varieties. I'm glad we didn't have to pay for it.
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mhagny
Posted 1/16/2016 06:35 (#5039253 - in reply to #5021575)
Subject: RE: Warning: This is our product


JimmyP - 1/8/2016 16:44 This is a product we released last year. These are from 3rd party researchers in replicated testing including private and university researchers. More information is on the link below but I won't "sell" anymore than present this information which will be released shortly. Take Off ST seed treatment comparisons against no Take Off ST. Fungicides/insecticide consistent between comparisons. Corn, 7 states, two years, 3 bushels average w/62% wins. Average win 7.5 bushels Spring Wheat, 4 states, two years, 1.5 bushels, 67% wins. Average win 2.9 bushels. Winter Wheat, 10 states, two years, 2.3 bushels, 67% wins. Average win 4.3 bushels. Soybeans, 7 states, two years, 1.1 bushels, 78% wins. Average win 2 bushels (no inoculant) Just finished compiling the 2015 data. Overall, seed treatments had less impact in 2015 than in 2014 across the US. Some areas still had consistent increases, others not so much. As a group, the instance of positive response and the magnitude was less. These results span 2014 & 2015 and averages for both years. http://www.vlsci.com/products/seed-treatments-inoculants/take-off-s...

Thank you for the candor!

The gains seem quite meager -- does it even pay for the cost of the product?

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