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| I know everyone has their band of equipment that they like more then anything else but when someone puts a 9rx up against a case quadtrac witch one will win?
I would like to here your thoughts. |
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| oh. oh. let me be first. neither they both suck don't waste your time, go cat and never look back. Since john deere is a copy, blah blah bla. Red is the best they have been around the longest. That should some up the first 50 post or so, then it will diverge to something about wheels, then it usually takes a political sway, and my favorite curve, someone will get mad about the grammer (i know its grammar) or leave they caps on THEN THE FUN BEGINS. |
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Wyoming | Lol!! |
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| Sure wish your post had less detail to it. And also the fact that this will soon get blown up and way out of control. |
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Zabcikville, TX | . |
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Nebraska | I gusse I'm the first to put a serious comment in I'm fine with that. First of all they both seem fine. All they are doing is copying. Now if your going to buy one buy now because they'll start to fight and really F things up. Or spend your money on a reliable 4wd or row crop. |
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| buy the green one and they will tell youre the first one with that problem when it's broke down. like all green dealers tell you like mine never heard of that. |
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SOUTHERN MN | We have a 535 quad now and I must say the deere has my interest. I would like to know what the good points are of each brand, I think john deere going with the cummins engine is a great thing but like how caseih is handling the emmisions issue better. They say the idler wheels are better and less maintance with the green ones but I am not sure how they are doing that for sure. Was offered to drive the new deere this fall but was to busy but now I wish I would of taken the time to drive it. I think its also safer how the steps do not move when you turn with the deere and are always in the same spot. |
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Southwest Iowa | Just outta curiosity, why would the steps not moving make them safer? |
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NC | There is no comparison. Drove both last week 9RX > Quadtrac |
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NW central IL | we had a 600 case and a 620 deere in the same field for half a day. 620 actually had torque, had a better cab suspension, but had a trans whine that was terrible at full throttle, back throttle off 50-100 rpm's it went away. hood was like you were driving a w900, and I think the tractor itself rode rougher, although the cab suspension soaked it up. trans as twice as smooth, even with Cases being recal'd. anything has to be better then cases boogie wheel setup, its terrible, and they wont put better seals in it to fix it. we have had a ton of problems with our quads. they are nice when they are running, that's all I will say. that said 3.50 corn is piss poor timing to release a tractor like this... |
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| 9RX>quad
-20% longer belt = less heat = longer belt life
-lube for life mid rollers, no oil change
-have to check cases daily
-Deere's track warranty is double case's
-2 mid rollers = less shock felt through the tractor
-4 inch cab travel vs case 2 inch = best ride quality
- e18 transmission shifts way smoother then the quad
-ACS steering
-gen 4 > pro 700. Better line acquisition
-too many more to list... |
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| Deere has had lots of time to design a better 4 Quad design. The weak spot in the Case is
the small bogie design. A leaker, Kile caps, slow transport speeds needed, tracking issues.
I have demo'd a Quadtrack, and I was not real impressed. For my farm it is tires, they do
the job well for me. |
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SOUTHERN MN | What I mean with the steps is when you turn left the steps move out also so they do not hit the rear track. Lets say you stop half way through the left handed turn the steps are going to be swung way out. If you are not aware of it you will step off the platform and the steps will be over to the side. I have a buddy that runs it for us sometimes and the first time he stopped half way making a left hand turn he fell off the platform. Lucky he did not get hurt. Also when you climb up the steps turned left the door opens right into your face. I always just step on the first step then jump up on the back track and open the door that way. You just get used to it but I noticed it on the deere right away that it did not move. |
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Sibley county Minesota | I believe the newer quads the steps do not move anymore. |
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West Central MN | cyclones09 - 12/8/2015 18:58
9RX>quad
-20% longer belt = less heat = longer belt life
-lube for life mid rollers, no oil change
-have to check cases daily
-Deere's track warranty is double case's
-2 mid rollers = less shock felt through the tractor
-4 inch cab travel vs case 2 inch = best ride quality
- e18 transmission shifts way smoother then the quad
-ACS steering
-gen 4 > pro 700. Better line acquisition
-too many more to list...
Neither Case or JD warranty tracks the manufacturer does. No one knows what the life of the new roller is or if the lube lasts that long. They also say you can change your engine oil every 600 hours. How do they know it will last 20% longer it's not out yet. If less wheels is better, buy a wheeled tractor should be the best ride ever by that theory. I believe the case cab suspension is 2 inch up and 2 inch down. The transmission statement is an opinion and so is the monitor statement but I will agree with you on that. If you believe they are going to hit this out of the park I highly doubt it. I believe it will be a steep learning curve and we will know in a year or two.
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Southeast Washington | cyclones09 - 12/8/2015 04:58
9RX>quad
-20% longer belt = less heat = longer belt life
-lube for life mid rollers, no oil change
-have to check cases daily
-Deere's track warranty is double case's
-2 mid rollers = less shock felt through the tractor
-4 inch cab travel vs case 2 inch = best ride quality
- e18 transmission shifts way smoother then the quad
-ACS steering
-gen 4 > pro 700. Better line acquisition
-too many more to list...
That sounds great. Our hills in the PNW are home to a large percentage of tracked tractors so it was built with our area in mind. The thing that concerns me is many tractors are on no till drills so have saddle tanks to carry fertilizer as we can't pull extra carts on hills as they won't stay upright. It will take some doing to mount a frame on the JD to hold tanks.
The issue I have is the JD rep said they wouldn't stand behind it if saddle tanks are mounted on the tractor as they already weigh 65,000 pounds. There are a lot of quads, Challengers, and two track John Deere tractors around with saddle tanks they will have to step it up to get much business as most farmers won't put out that kind of money for a tractor to do what they have been doing if JD isn't going to stand behind it.
My question is if the JD undercarriage is so much better than the quad why won't they stand behind it if saddle tanks are installed? Or was the rep caught off guard and just throwing out an answer that he thought would be right?
Anyway it lost potential sales where all the big power is tracked tractors. We will be waiting and hopefully it proves itself because our area would welcome more options.
The picture should be the one in our area that pulled a fertilizer machine on some steep hills out of the picture.
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| undercarriage on 9rx and all tracked deeres are made by camoplast. nothing deere about it. same as a versatile both use camoplast tracks. deere has no suspension in its bogy wheels none wont flex with track. solid end wheels dont work in bad conditions they pack full dirt and mess up the track. 9rx has a boll gear setup like a 9300 series quadtrac. not good. stx has planetary. A plastic fuel tank, what a joke. nothing is lubed for life. deere ones fail as well. you can buy clear caps for deeres too. I have deere rts cat mt's alot of quadtracs alot of them. and tracked combines. they will do things wheels and 2 tracked tractors only dream of. deere needs about a decade to figure out whats wrong. when the next model comes out try it. but it sounds like a 750 hp quadtrac coming out. just when they thought they had caught up..... |
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meade co. sw, ks | Green/red farmer - 12/8/2015 17:53
I gusse I'm the first to put a serious comment in I'm fine with that. First of all they both seem fine. All they are doing is copying..
who invented the steel plow? im pretty sure john deere did but why is it if deere does something its copying? I think all you deere haters just need to quit whining. |
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| Best one is he one that's paid for. |
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ND | cyclones09 - 12/8/2015 06:58 9RX>quad -20% longer belt = less heat = longer belt life -lube for life mid rollers, no oil change -have to check cases daily -Deere's track warranty is double case's -2 mid rollers = less shock felt through the tractor -4 inch cab travel vs case 2 inch = best ride quality - e18 transmission shifts way smoother then the quad -ACS steering -gen 4 > pro 700. Better line acquisition -too many more to list...
No scv coupler release on the Case, pretty crude back there on the scv stack, scv stack not in sequential order with hydraulic controls. |
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SE ND | Farminhard1985 - 12/8/2015 20:34
undercarriage on 9rx and all tracked deeres are made by camoplast. nothing deere about it. same as a versatile both use camoplast tracks. deere has no suspension in its bogy wheels none wont flex with track. solid end wheels dont work in bad conditions they pack full dirt and mess up the track. 9rx has a boll gear setup like a 9300 series quadtrac. not good. stx has planetary. A plastic fuel tank, what a joke. nothing is lubed for life. deere ones fail as well. you can buy clear caps for deeres too. I have deere rts cat mt's alot of quadtracs alot of them. and tracked combines. they will do things wheels and 2 tracked tractors only dream of. deere needs about a decade to figure out whats wrong. when the next model comes out try it. but it sounds like a 750 hp quadtrac coming out. just when they thought they had caught up.....
Post a pic of versatiles tractor and the JD side by side and see if you can repeat your statement |
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East Central Illinois | There is a reason why Deere takes time to bring items to markets. They test it and get it right for example the 86 series IH no testing .. |
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Southwest Iowa | That's hilarious! Quite possibly the funniest post of the year.
It could also be that they were waiting for the patent to expire on the 4 track system before bringing their's to market.
We've got a 38 year old 1086 still doing everything we ask it to do for us. Ours must've been tested out as "satisfactory". |
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South Central Illinois | Don't have much experience with the 9rx but after 3 quads I am more than happy with them. Most of the issues guys talk about with failing bogey wheels and seals comes down to maintenance and observance. We try and keep long road hauls around 15-16mph which keeps the bogeys from getting to hot. We also keep a bag of shop dry in the cab of each quad to keep the tracks and bogeys on long hauls. A cup of shop dry on each one every 20-30 mins on the road really cuts down on heat and power usage. Keep the tracks in line, use kile caps, and keep the ground speed a little lower and you'll never have a problem. It might take an hour to change a seal so it's really not a big deal. The early ones had a lot of issues with a poorer design but from 2006 up seem to be about bulletproof. The cab suspension on our 620 makes the ride plenty smooth and rides better than any tractor we have in the field including the 8rs with ILS. I hope everyone buys the Deere 9RX so I can buy all the cheap used quads haha. Just a humble opinion |
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Chebanse, IL..... | What is shop dry? Are you saying every 20 min during roading, you stop on the road & throw that stuff in all 4 of the tracks? Almost sounds like a step behind an old cup oiler system. |
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South Central Illinois | Hey Ron, shop dry as in the stuff you put on concrete to soak up oil. We have some long road hauls 35-40 miles, that is what kills tracks, bogies, and their components. The tracks become too clean (dirt in the field is their lubricant) which causes the rubber track to heat up and begin to adhere to the bogies surface. If you watch the engines power meter it will rise 10-12% as they get hot. As soon as this happens we hop out and put a cup of shop dry on the cross beam so it rattles down in the rubber. This may not be necessary but we have talked to several CIH reps who all reccommend. Furthermore we never have issues with our quads, a bit more labor? Yes, but for an unprecedented ride, 0 slip, low ground pressure and all the power you could want I'm willing to make the sacrifice. However I'm not color blind and 3 colors make up out machineshed. |
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North of Iowa | He was kidding right. LOL |
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RRV, MN | Not that post like this does anyone any good whatsoever other than see who's a blowhard. Curious on two statements that were made. Mind this is on a machine that is just being released.
#1. How do you propose a 20% increase in belt life over CIH on a machine that has virtually no real world time other than "testing/demos". We have found belt life directly relates to what type of use a machine does rather than hours used.
#2.How is it known already that a lube for life undercarriage system is going to be any cheaper over the life of the tractor vs a oil bath CIH system. If a tractor of any color is going to weight that much on tracks you will have maintenance over time. We have alittle over 2K hours on a new style quad and have done 2 seals total, both were done its first spring. I realize there will be more in the tractors future but i feel the benefits outweigh the costs. So say "hypothetically" what if a lube for life system has issues at 5-6K hours with repairs of 15-20K which isnt unheard of on the 30 series. Which is more cost effective.
End of the day everyone has there own checkbook and can buy whatever they want regardless if you or i like it. |
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Great White North | johnypop - 12/8/2015 21:34
cyclones09 - 12/8/2015 06:58 9RX>quad -20% longer belt = less heat = longer belt life -lube for life mid rollers, no oil change -have to check cases daily -Deere's track warranty is double case's -2 mid rollers = less shock felt through the tractor -4 inch cab travel vs case 2 inch = best ride quality - e18 transmission shifts way smoother then the quad -ACS steering -gen 4 > pro 700. Better line acquisition -too many more to list... No scv coupler release on the Case, pretty crude back there on the scv stack, scv stack not in sequential order with hydraulic controls.
Theres a reason case remotes arent in order. If you have standard flow hyd with one pump the remotes will be in order. If you have twin flow with 2 pumps the remotes go 1-2-5 / 3-4-6 so that each stack is a separate pump and you can run 2 remotes that need more flow on separate pumps, example 2 air seeder fans on 5-6 it splits up the pumps. If it was in order youd be running one fan on 3 and the other on 6 or something like that. |
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custar ohio | Exactly. I love the way they got it figured that a machine that's been out two months is better than the one that's been out 30 years.
Probably not one of them will ever own one anyhow. |
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| can a post get any dumber than that |
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| wait till john deere invents tampons they will be better than kotex |
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NW central IL | on the 620's? 600 does |
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Manitoba, Canada | Bought new tracks for our quad, they come with 4 year warranty, is cases warranty only two or are you claiming John Deere is giving 8 year warranty on the tracks |
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Chebanse, IL..... | Woodlane Ag
Instead of stopping & getting out, why don't you take some kind of talc dispensing system like the kind on seed carts and let it "auto dispense" when going down the road instead of waiting for the belts to heat up?
Actuallly, I'm surprised the mfg haven't included something like this on track machines. Seems the devices would cost but a few hundred dollars. Use the same talc as planters use. |
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NW KS/ SC ID | Since this is a very serious post, I must ask, does anyone remember "The most interesting farmer in the world" ?
He ordered a pair of MT900E series Challenger Quad Tracks, one with a C18, and the other with the V12 Sisu...... and Agco complied with his wishes and built them. They are complete with reaction arms and pivoting bogies. They ride smoother than any tractor, and he didnt even order the optional cab suspension. He usually only has one in the field, till after the Victoria Secret fashion show is over and his crew of operators then have time off work to come drive the second one.
He is the most interesting farmer in the world....
(and, this entire post is more believeable than any post by Green/Red Farmer out of NE or CO or wherever he is. ;) ) |
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sc Washington | Wow. I'm impressed! Someone actually following manufacturer recommendations. Track warranty is by track manufacturer not Case IH or JD. Some also depends on if they are 3500 or 6500 rated etc. |
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John Deere 9RX vs Case quadtrac
