thedodd - 12/1/2015 05:25

I hear Bobcat has devised an emissions 'control' that is nothing like the 'normal' systems and has no affect on performance.

HeyhayJCM - 12/1/2015 05:39

I think it also has something to do with horsepower rating on the machine. We lease Cat skid loaders and when one of ours (a 242 B) was ending a couple weeks ago we got a 272 on demo. It had Def and regeneration because the salesman said it was over 100 horsepower. The 242 machines still come without it.

Not sure if all other manufacturers are the same??

Josh Moorefield

durallymax - 12/1/2015 09:51



50-74hp has different standards than 75-175hp.

236D,242D,246D,262D all come with the 73hp 3.3L Kubota that has EGR and a DPF. 272D & 272D XHP have a 3.8L Kubota with a DPF (I believe EGR as well). 272D2 & 272D2 XHP have DEF as well.

bobbyg - 11/30/2015 21:06

I need a medium/small one. Diesel. Preferably JD or CAT. What years do the Emissions equip. start on them? In other words, how old do I have to go to be pre-emissions?

HeyhayJCM - 12/1/2015 09:56



When did they start making the D Series vs the B Series??

Josh Moorefield

durallymax - 12/1/2015 10:27



The big D series machines with the 3.8 came in 2012. That would be the 272D, 297D, 299D and their XHP variants. These replaced the C series versions. At the same time, the 256C, 262C, 277C, 279C, 287C and 289C were all derated to 74hp and labeled as "C2".

In addition to the "C2" models above, the 236B3, 242B3, 257B3, 259B3, and 246C also used the 74hp 3.4 Mitsubishi. Production of these machines ended in 2013 for them to be replaced with the "D" series machines that all have the 74hp 3.3L Kubota engine. All of the models were retained except the 256.

One year later, production of the 216B3, 226B3 and 247B3 (which use a 2.2 Perkins) was ended. The new D series lineup for small machines has changed a lot, and they use an updated 2.2 Perkins. The 216 and 247 were dropped. They brought back the 232 and added a 239 and 249. The final lineup is 226D, 232D, 239D and 249D.

Not long after that, production of the largest D series machines was switched to the newer D2 machines which keep the 3.8 Kubota with the addition of DEF for Tier4F. This would be the 272D2, 297D2, 299D2 and their XHP counterparts.



It can be tough to keep up with it all, but it's back to a streamlined product line again at least.

HeyhayJCM - 12/1/2015 10:46
Ok this is making sense now. Ours are 242B-3's then. When I realized I didn't like the 272 he said he could still get us another new 242B-3...and said there were a huge amount of them that were produced for the rental fleets? I hope he's right!

durallymax - 12/1/2015 11:24



It all depends on the area. They haven't made any 242B3s for nearly two years now. There could still be some unsold new ones around. The rental fleets probably have plenty that will be coming out of service the next couple years.

272 is nothing like a 242 though. Getting used to the EH versus Pilot is probably the worst part. The B3s with pilots are nice to just jump in and do a quick job but the Ds are much nicer to run for longer periods, especially if you have machines with cabs. They're a lot nicer to work on too.

durallymax - 12/1/2015 09:03



Any Cat before the "D" series will be "pre-emissions".

That said, I wouldn't be afraid of one with it. The D series are the nicest machines they have ever made. The DPF has not been an issue on them at all. Over 1k on our 262D and running great. Talking with the service writer (that's a no BS guy) he's been surprised by the lack of issues with the couple hundred they have out.

Use a D series for awhile, forget there's a DPF on it and pay attention to the rest of it. No way I'd want any of the older ones over a D just because there's a DPF on it and people still don't think manufacturers have them figured out after all of these years. FWIW it is a serviceable, active DPF. If for some reason it doesn't stay clean passively it will actively regenerate, there's a little indicator when it wants to do that and you simply keep the throttle above half and keep running. Ours never has, service guy said very few people ever have.

Don't let one little thing let you miss out on all of the benefits. Would you trade a quiet clean cab with HVAC that always works, just because of a DPF? Would you trade having all of the hydraulics out of the slop in the belly, just because of a DPF? Or the better visibility(you can actually see the plate) and backup camera? Or the sealed engine compartment that actually stays clean? The quiet Kubota engine versus the Mitsupillar(still a good motor)? I could go on about why the D series are better, but the list is not short and you have to have experience with the older ones to appreciate a lot of the subtle details.

HeyhayJCM - 12/6/2015 08:03

Just had to make a follow up post guys!
The cat salesman was out yesterday and I asked him about the 242 loaders and he said the 242 is still made new today with no emissions of any kind because it is 74 hp and the cutoff is 75. So to the OP a 242 is 2,000 lbs capacity and 74 horse....might be a good way for you to go.