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mrcubcadet
Posted 8/14/2015 07:36 (#4732530)
Subject: JD 6620 Cylinder Drives Alignment


Had to replace my intermediate cylinder drive belt (variable speed belt) on my 6620.

Due to stupidity, I didn't align the sheave correctly, and while the new intermediate cylinder drive belt is okay, I ruined the primary cylinder drive belt..Before I ruin anymore belts, I need to figure out how to properly align these drives. Looking in the manual, I don't see much assistance on this. Eyeballing it is apparently not good enough, or if it is, it's tedious. While the sheaves appeared parallel, it still allowed the drive belt to "roll off" its sheave, and tore it up pretty good.

Help is much appreciated!
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Von WC Ohio
Posted 8/14/2015 08:38 (#4732643 - in reply to #4732530)
Subject: RE: JD 6620 Cylinder Drives Alignment



First off need to clarify which belts.

The belts from the engine to the primary counter shaft /electric clutch (under the seat) need tightened and the belt traps need adjusted according to the book. Some of these trap bolts are tough to reach unless you have really long arms. I don't believe these are the belts you are referring too though. The traps are very important to keep from burning and scuffing the belts when disengaged.

On the opposite side of the machine you have the wide cogged belt from the primary counter shaft down to the adjustable cylinder speed intermediate pulley. I think this is the belt you replaced ? There should be some discussion about adjusting the sheaves for the proper dimensions. I don't have my book in front of me at the moment but I think there are some measurements of distance between the sheave halves that are needed for proper belt gripping.  

Then there are the cylinder drive belts on that same side which is really the 4 belts with a bonded backing on them. These are the ones I think you ruined ?  I've never had them roll off the sheave before but have had issues with tearing the common backing off the 4 segment belt and breaking the tightener J bolt.

In my case my issues were not so much misalignment with anything but wear in the bushings inside the intermediate pulley and rough spots on the sliding ramps inside that change the speed that were grabbing and releasing as well as some slug feeding of green stemmed beans.

If the ramps get rough or dry from lack of grease they can grab and release instead of sliding smoothly which can transfer shock loading to the cogged belt and 4 segment belt which can damage either of them.

If you need to take this variable pulley apart BE CAREFUL as there is a lot of tension on that internal spring. Make sure you get informed about how it comes apart and what to expect.

It's good to speed up and slow down the cylinder speed a few times a day to keep grease distributed on those ramps in side the housing.

Slug and uneven feeding can also cause shock loading of these belts.

Here is a earlier thread with a lot of good info. on it with additional things to check and look for.

http://talk.newagtalk.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=62445

Special attention on the Lil Hoss post about the greasing procedure in that thread.

http://talk.newagtalk.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=62445&=1#M440409

 

There is also a procedure for filling the cavity on the intermediary pulley which is not well defined in the earlier books.

This is a copy and paste from my Titan II combine wiki. (now offline)

I was finally able to talk to an experienced mechanic that described the importance of the removing the vent plug and pumping the intermediate pulley full of grease annually. As the ramps inside sit in one place while running the grease eventually is removed from the sliding ramp area and these surfaces can try and weld themselves together and grab and release sending a severe vibration through the machine that seems very serious but yet can then disappear. The cure is to annually remove the brass breather plug in this pulley housing as indicated in the picture below by the red arrow and pump grease into the housing with the zerk indicated in the picture below with the blue arrow until grease appears at the breather hole. It also helps to open and close the pulleys at least once a day to help redistribute the grease onto the steel ramps inside. The housing should hold somewhere around 2 tubes of grease. In my case it took a full tube before grease appeared at the breather plug. These instructions are not in the operator manuals for the Titan machines, the 9000 series or the 9010 series. It was not until the 50 series machines that this was added to the operators manual. I feel this is an important piece of information that needs preserved and shared for all the mentioned machines as they all operate on the same concept with the variable pulley and ramps. The mechanic that pointed this out to me was kind enough to make a copy of the page from the newer manual and laminated it for me to include in my operators manual. I have attached a picture of it here so it can easily be read. Be sure to note this procedure should be done with the cavity at it's smallest size which is with the pulley at it's fastest setting.


I'm sure others will be able to elaborate more on possible issues.

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alneiowa
Posted 8/14/2015 08:54 (#4732685 - in reply to #4732643)
Subject: RE: JD 6620 Cylinder Drives Alignment


Ne Iowa
Priceless, this site is priceless. Thanks Von, I remember reading that last year but had forgot until now.
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Rock Road
Posted 8/14/2015 09:16 (#4732722 - in reply to #4732530)
Subject: RE: JD 6620 Cylinder Drives Alignment


w/c Illinois

I was breaking that variable speed belt so often one year with green stems that I didn't even bother to put my wrenches away.  I hate to tell you how fast I could change that belt; that's how often I did it.  I finally took the cams apart as Von describes, smoothed off the burrs and then lubed them properly.  Never changed the belt again.

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mrcubcadet
Posted 8/14/2015 10:04 (#4732796 - in reply to #4732530)
Subject: RE: JD 6620 Cylinder Drives Alignment


Thanks for the response, guys...Yes, I'm talking about the wide cog belt.

I tore up the variable speed intermediate drive belt out of age, and weedy oats. When I put it back together and started it the first time, the wide cog belt walked outward on it's sheave. I adjusted the lower spring-loaded sheave again, and it walked back onto the sheave fully. After running it a bit, I learned that I apparently adjusted it too much, as the next thing I knew, it had walked all the way off the sheave the opposite of the direction it had began to walk off of, earlier. It was then rubbing between the combine the sheave, on the shaft, and tore up badly. I decided to throw it back on and try to readjust the lower sheave, again. I then ran it at half throttle and everything seemed to work fine. Then I gave it RPM, and that belt that I thought would hold up at least for sheave alignment flew off into multiple pieces. :)

Now that I don't have the old belt to trial and error with, I am kind of worried about hurting the new one. Mise-well wrap a $100 bill around the sheave, as far as I'm concerned...I need to get them aligned correctly, which I might have done, but I'm trying to make sure. I have no real concern that the reason for belt failure is anything but stupidity. Haha
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ccjersey
Posted 8/14/2015 13:19 (#4733090 - in reply to #4732796)
Subject: RE: JD 6620 Cylinder Drives Alignment


Faunsdale, AL
Much of what everybody is telling you is about sheave timing not alignment. In other words as you open or close the hydraulic adjustable sheave, the other spring loaded one must close or open to keep the belt tight.

If everything is working properly and a new, full width belt, you should get full range of rpm out of the drive. If belt is worn down you will not get the highest or lowest speed out of it and it may get slack at either extreme.

Once an edge is worn off the belt, it is going to tend to roll over in the sheaves, so just go ahead and get a new one if yours ever gets like that.

For alignment, a yard stick or other straight edge, or even a piece of string stretched across the two sheaves flat sides should get you close enough for good service.

Watched a neighbor fight a sticky variable speed sheave one year. He was cutting wheat for us. If they weren't unplugging the cylinder, they were replacing the big belt. I got the tech manual out and we went through the proper greasing procedure, but it didn't help much. He finally just got a reman and put it on there, but that was after they had left our place.
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mrcubcadet
Posted 8/19/2015 09:50 (#4741491 - in reply to #4733090)
Subject: RE: JD 6620 Cylinder Drives Alignment


Yes, however my alignment of the variable speed belt is not my problem. My problem is the primary cylinder belt. Due to the fact that the primary cylinder belt driver is on the same shaft as the variable speed belt driven, I got it out of alignment when I changed the variable speed belt.
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JDEEREMAN
Posted 9/11/2015 09:25 (#4783083 - in reply to #4732796)
Subject: RE: JD 6620 Cylinder Drives Alignment


Eastern ND
I always just sight the gap on both sides of the belt, to the pulley, and try to adjust them to get them even. Then I speed up the cylinder to wide open and then start adjusting the sheave up or down to get the correct full no-load cylinder speed. If I had to guess what is wrong with Yours.... The intermediate sheave is adjusted too far down- then the belt bottoms out in the sheave, and that is what shredded the belt?
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scotty4955
Posted 11/17/2020 09:10 (#8611498 - in reply to #4732643)
Subject: RE: JD 6620 Cylinder Drives Alignment


Hi Von, I need to change my cylinder drive belt, so I must remove the variable speed drive belt to get it off. I only have a book for a Titan 1 machine, but have a late 6620 Sidehill. The titan 1 book shows removing the top sheave to do this, but it's lower brackets are different and would allow that. It seems the lower sheave should be similar to remove as the titan 1. To get the outer half off, it talks about a suitable puller, leaving the machined bolt in place but loose. Can you tell me the procedure to pull this when you have a chance?
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