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Ron..NE ILL..10/48
Posted 5/5/2015 21:40 (#4553800)
Subject: JD 2310 soil finisher....might want to check yours



Chebanse, IL.....

We have a JD 2310 soil finisher that's a couple years old. A few days ago we discovered a bracket broken from it's tubing. This bracket was completely severed, and only the 2nd ( of two) bracket on that far RH section was carrying the drag & basket. It was pulled away & wasn't going to last much longer. If it had broken, the whole section would've departed from the soil finisher frame. Our 2310 has the JD factory optioned rolling basket & coil tine harrow. Nothing was added or modified by us. Also no previous damage to this unit.

As you can see in photo #2, the weld did not break, the metal below the weld completely tore out of the tube. We did have to weld the bracket back on to that tube. Then we added gussets to distribute some of the weld load back further on the tube. No engineering work there...we just thought it looked like it needed that. Then, we examined the outer section on the LH end of the finisher. We could see some "blistered" paint indicating that there was some stress to the weld there also. So, we cut gussets & had them welded on the tubes to prevent an in-field breakage, or worse yet, potentially preventing losing the drag on the highway with traffic following. I'd recommend to other JD 2310 owner/operators to examine the weld areas on those brackets & consider your own preventive measures like addng gussets. Again, the welds are not breaking, the metal behind the welds is pulling apart. The center sections don't seem to have that problem, perhaps due to the fact that they have larger tubing frames, thereby giving more surface to support the bracket weldment.

Perhaps photos will help. Note that on the initial repair, no time was taken to repaint welded areas. Today they got painted.

Photo below shows u-bolt bracket that was severed from the tube. You can see the weld itself is intact:

Below shows the remaining bracket that had only about 25% area remaining intact. It was bent away more, but we pushed it back by lifting the drag/basket w/a forklift:

Below shows the initial repair welds that our friend Skeez did to get us back in the field.

Since today was a rainout in NE IL, we added gussets to the LH end of the finisher bar. We spotted a few flakes of paint missing indicating

that stress of some type was appearing.

I think the problem is solved.

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S.C.B. Farms
Posted 5/5/2015 22:20 (#4553903 - in reply to #4553800)
Subject: RE: JD 2310 soil finisher....might want to check yours


Southeast Iowa
Ron what year is your machine ? I know the 2310 has a 3 year warranty on the frame.
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Ron..NE ILL..10/48
Posted 5/6/2015 05:35 (#4554110 - in reply to #4553903)
Subject: RE: JD 2310 soil finisher....might want to check yours



Chebanse, IL.....

S.C.B. Farms, thanks for info. I did not realize the frame had a separate warranty. I'll check into that today & report back.

Thanks

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pupdaddy12003
Posted 5/6/2015 06:32 (#4554170 - in reply to #4553800)
Subject: RE: JD 2310 soil finisher....might want to check yours



NW Central Ohio
..that break at the weld is a classic example of welding stress fracturing base metal. If that weld had been reheated to a dull red, it would never have broken. I see welds like that on tubing all the time...and I don't think much of that kind of engineering. Gussets and longitudinal weld beads along the leg of the gusset won't crack anywhere near as easily.
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Von WC Ohio
Posted 5/6/2015 06:49 (#4554198 - in reply to #4553800)
Subject: RE: JD 2310 soil finisher....might want to check yours



Good catch and good repair.

It's sickening how much all this stuff costs but is still sometimes plagued with design problems to save an additional few $ in material and time over building something that will last and have strength above and beyond what it is expected to endure.

Sounds like some designers need to take a few more courses from certified welders about what types of welds and gussets are appropriate for different structural situations. 

Glad you caught this before it became a much more serious accident and/or repair. 

Will be interesting to see what sort of responses you get about it. 

 

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ndred
Posted 5/6/2015 08:11 (#4554380 - in reply to #4554198)
Subject: RE: JD 2310 soil finisher....might want to check yours


s nd
Pup, how much area do you re-heat when done? How far out into the tubing do you go, if any? Some of the plate also? Try to describe how you would weld that piece differently. Or are you saying add gussets? Never to old to learn here.
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pupdaddy12003
Posted 5/6/2015 22:30 (#4555927 - in reply to #4554380)
Subject: RE: JD 2310 soil finisher....might want to check yours



NW Central Ohio
...I'm no expert...I just had an opportunity to read a welding pamphlet by an "OLD" welder named Hal Wilson. He had been around the block a few times before he offered his advice. If you were welding tubing like that...and could cut a couple triangular pieces that would fit across the short side of the tubing (top and bottom), then you would them to the tubing along the longitudinal bends of the base piece, and than across the capping piece in the same way. I would guess that joint would be almost twice as strong welded like that than with a weld like what Deere used. If they could afford to re-heat that weld, (It's all about the time and money to do it) I think you would only need maybe an inch and a half either side of the weld reheated. That allows all those stretched grains to "relax" a little, taking the stress out of the weld. He gave an example one time of how welding around a shaft to build it up where a bearing spun could compress the base metal of the shaft. He did it, and then allowed it to cool....then machined it to accept a bearing. Then he re-heated the section that he welded, allowed it to cool again...and tried to take the bearing off The shaft grew so much, it wouldn't allow it. Most of what he said was simple stuff that we don't think about very often....but affects us all the time.
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ndred
Posted 5/7/2015 08:14 (#4556345 - in reply to #4555927)
Subject: RE: JD 2310 soil finisher....might want to check yours


s nd
I know they used to say to ping the crap out of the welds to relieve the tension on the steel and weld, but with wire welders we seldom do cause we don't have slag. Me either being a pro, but with four foot rocks and digging beets out of the ground, you get good or go home. Triple weld everything, but some frames would still break as the one pictured, just further onto the tubing. Things should be built with gussets so when you add afterwards, doesn't look like a welded up piece of equipment. Thanks for replying.
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pupdaddy12003
Posted 5/7/2015 12:05 (#4556696 - in reply to #4556345)
Subject: RE: JD 2310 soil finisher....might want to check yours



NW Central Ohio
...I once welded about 5 straps across a 2" piece of tubing that I was using as the top piece on a sugar beet end gate. When I got done..the welds actually pulled that tubing (remember welds pull from each side and I was welding across the tubing) about 4 inches out of line. I then went back...and re-heated all the welds to a nice glow...and the tubing relaxed down to "almost" flat...in other words..it was bowed just enough that the pressure from a load would push it out straight. It was a rather interesting project.
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