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SE SD | A year and a half ago, we purchased a brand new Farmall 95 with a 735 Loader/joystick. This tractor has been an absolute disaster! I swear I can't even put 25 straight hours on this machine without taking it back to the shop for warranty work. Currently it's split in half at the IH dealer for PTO issues. Thank god it's under warranty, but the warranty runs out in August of this year. I want to dump it and upgrade to a 130+ PTO horsepower mfwd tractor with a loader. In a perfect world, I wouldn't even hesitate to buy a 6170R John Deere, but they are awfully expensive! Are the new PUMA 170's any good?....Should I roll back to a used 7520, 7430 Deere? Thanks! |
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Morris, IL | http://talk.newagtalk.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=531993&posts=1... Take a look at this thread. |
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SE SD | I guess I'm not the only one who has issues with this model of tractor. What an expensive lesson this is gonna be! I don't even know if a JD dealer would take it in on trade. I'm afraid I'll be stuck with IH, but do they make anything decent anymore? We've owned a 884 IH (junk)...585 CIH (average)...8940 Magnum (liked the tractor, but nickle and dimed us)...Do I dare try a new PUMA? or am I just compounding the problem at hand?...Our John Deere's have their own issues at times, but nothing like this. |
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Morris, IL | You can read my thoughts, i'd read posted it few times and i'm tired of reposting basically the same thing.
Our 8940 has been darn good tractor, lot of others would agree with me, hard to know why you had bad luck. |
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SE SD | Thanks! Yeah, I don't know what the deal was with that 8940... It had a bad whine in the steering especially between about 1200-1800 RPM, MFWD switch/relay went bad, fuel injector line, water pump, oil pressure sensor, radio quit working, alternator, some seal back by the MFWD gear case, and throttle lever kept moving back on it's own.
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SE SD | The only good thing about that 8940 was that we sold it for more than we paid for it. By the time I added in all the repairs, and figured the 2 years of use, we broke even on the deal which was good. It is a shame, I loved the transmission in that thing and the cab was comfortable/good visibility, and it had power! Maybe I should try and find a good 7120-8920 with dual PTO's to trade my Farmall 95 in on? |
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| A Puma is about twice the tractor you have now, even a Maxxum would be near twice the tractor in just about every way, including physical size. Just quite a jump in machine has me kind of thrown. What are you doing with it? |
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SE SD | We built a new 40,000 bushel grain bin last fall, 33ft. to the eave...we have a 13" X 90' Brandt auger that requires a minimum of 125 PTO Horsepower to run according to the specs. Will also run a 15' batwing mower. It would also need to be able to handle large round cornstalk bales, round hay bales, and a feeder/mixer wagon. Needs to have 540/1000 interchangeable PTO. I thought I'd try and find a tractor that has a little more PTO HP to be safe...maybe 130-150 PTO HP. |
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LUMBERTON NC | Simple.......certified piece of junk ....and that's from a IH man ..... But nothing IH in that danged fiat tractor...
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SE SD | So what do you think of the PUMA's....like a PUMA 170?....I've read on other posts on here that MXU's and MXM's are junk. Do you think I would be safe to try a 7120-8920 even though my 8940 was questionable? |
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Freedom, WI | The local technical college took delivery of one the first day of tractor safety and I drove it. I couldn't really say that I was very impressed with it and actually preferred to drive the C-70 they had. Judging by some of the problems people have with them, I am glad we don't own one. I think if you want reliability, an 8920 Magnum or 7000/7010 series Deere would do what you want. They may be a bit older, but were some of the last "reliable" tractors built.
This 1800 hour Magnum is still on the market.
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NW central North Dakota | The Pumas are good tractors, just have def trouble in the cold, otherwise we haven't had any trouble. But then we have had three magnums without trouble and that tractor didn't work out for you. I gotta ask, is breaking the loader bolts the tractors fault? |
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| A Maxxum 140 2012 or newer or a new Maxxum 150, both 6 cyl machines, would probably do it. Depends on the hp needed for the auger I guess and what you're augering. 140 is rated at 120 PTO, 150 at 125PTO but then when you have a PTO load the tier 4 tractors give a boost in hp. I just don't remember if that works for stationary use too, have to check with the dealer on that.
Pretty good jump when you go to a Puma, and there's more options of transmission too. I'd take a look at them side by side to see if there's a size issue. |
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SE SD | What loader bolts?...I've never broken any loader bolts...I honestly don't know what the problem was with that 8940. Maybe it was the previous owner. We bought that one with about 2,900 hours on it and sold it with 3,500 hours on it...I can't blame a previous owner on this Farmall 95. We bought it new and it has 225 hours on it. It's been a nightmare from the get-go....So with the DEF fluid, what is the best way to keep the DEF from freezing? Besides a heated shop, that I don't have. |
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southern saskatchewan | I'm a little puzzled about your not liking the mxu's and wanting a older 7000 series john deere. We bought a used 7700 with fwa and jd loader and also had a 110 mxu which was newer with less hours. I was happy to sell the 7700 jd before it took anymore money to keep it going. The mxu will stay for a long time yet. Your results may be different but I found the 7700 to cost a lot to keep up but the resale on it was good. |
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SE IL | Are these a Farmall A or a Farmall C?
We bought a new '14 Farmall C and ran an auger all fall with no trouble...yet. |
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SE SD | Thanks! Is the powershift in the PUMA the same as the new Magnums? |
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SE SD | I've just read on other threads on this site that the MXU's and MXM's were trouble...I personally don't have any experience with either. What is the largest MXU you can get? |
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SE SD | Just is a 2013 Farmall 95.
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NW central North Dakota | Maybe I mixed up two different farmall posts, one guy said he broke the loader mounts off, if not you - my apologies.
On the def...I can't say that they have figured it out yet, we feed with a 7220 on a processor and a bobcat, we just don't use the puma in the cold, I haven't talked to other guys about lately. A good friend told me last summer to keep feeding the way we were, since he has been called out a lot on Puma cold weather calls |
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| If you opt for the full range powershift, it would be like what's in the small magnums. |
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NW central North Dakota | I like the 72' series over the 71' series for pto work.....seems as tho it can be feathered easier. Now and then if you weren't careful the 71's would shear pto pins/bolts.
The Puma, aside for the cold issue is a good tractor for the money, a lot of power for random tasks, easy to run, great comfort. And I am only an hour and a half from Canadian border, so it gets cold for awhile here, hopefully you don't have the same weather!
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| The DEF in the tractor can freeze it doesn't hurt anything and it was designed to allow for freezing. In freezing temps how it's supposed to work is the tractor runs w/o def for a little bit while the engine warms up, then the coolant heats up the def and then it's pumped into the exhaust where it does it's thing to clean up the exhaust. Then when you shut down, the def in the system is pumped back into the def tank on the tractor for safe storage.
However, I've heard that like last winter when it was terribly cold, the engine couldn't heat up the def fast enough and the tractor would think it was out of def and derate. I think there's been software updates to fix that, that it would allow a longer warmup period to thaw the def before it derated, i think, but best to check with your dealer on this. Semi trucks with def had that same challenges last year too. Some dealers were installing fitted blankets over the def tanks to help hold the heat in so the def would melt. I don't know beyond that on the truck side. |
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| Agree. Maxxum 140 or Maxxum 150 with the 6cyl have been very good tractors for us. Very few problems. |
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The Delta | I have 2 95c's so far I've got no trouble in 100 hours and 4 weeks use. Got 4" of sleet here this week pulled a stuck fedex truck and 2 loaded pup trailers up a ramp onto the highway with it. Driver said 35k total, I was very impressed with the little tractor. |
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Leeds, North Dakota | P'ss pour quality, MX, MXU and Puma's all poorly desighned, its a love/ hate relationship, some folks have good luck, a lot have your luck, fwa was built way to light for loader work, the true Magnum's are a great tractor, older Magnums were/are awesome tractors, Scott. |
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Eastern North Carolina | I would look for a low hour Deere 7510/7520 with a loader ready to go...
http://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/003/2/1/3213-john-deere-75...
http://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/001/5/9/1590-john-deere-75... |
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Ohio | You better go with the John Deere with all the issues you have with the best tractors built by Case IH.
Why did you buy the 95 over say the 95C or 105U models?
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New Brunswick, Canada | They have been a mess. Neighbour had one, constant clutch problems linkage and internal. Less than 50 hours it was immobile twice. Other one I know was split at low hours, the dealer said the pto clutch springs loads a shaft in the transmission and frequently fails? Not sure but he's pretty quick at tearing them apart now. |
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The Delta | Is this on farmall 95's or 95C's? I don't know the differences other than looks. |
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South Western Ontario, Canada | jicasedeere - 2/19/2015 21:56
Thanks! Yeah, I don't know what the deal was with that 8940... It had a bad whine in the steering especially between about 1200-1800 RPM, MFWD switch/relay went bad, fuel injector line, water pump, oil pressure sensor, radio quit working, alternator, some seal back by the MFWD gear case, and throttle lever kept moving back on it's own.
Reading your list of "complaints" about the 8940......almost everything on that list is MAINTENANCE.
Think you better go take a mechanic course! Learn to hold a wrench.
Sorry but it strikes a nerve when people complain about a tractor FOR NO TRUE REASON! EVERYTHING on YOUR list is a quick and easy repair! next it will be a flat tire too.... |
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| what you are experiencing is fiat engineering--junk-- and it is a long history problem--remember some of the early oliver utilities--quality no different--10 years down the road they won't even be good fence corner ornaments just crusher candidates. sorry but the truth--complain to quality control. |
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Northwest Missouri | A maxxum 150,never saw one! |
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Northeast South Dakota | I'm pretty sure it's Turk Tractors from Trukey. I got one and its treated me ok and I do run the piss out of it. Run a 13x91 auger full , 15 ft batwing, 150 hrs a year . That being said when it dies I wont miss the little piece of ^%>¥ |
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| He's talking about a Farmall 95 which is a more basic model than your 95C. |
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NW KS/ SC ID | newer does not equal better.
We bought a piece of equipment off a farmer/ rancher, and he loaded us out with his 6030 Series deere (6430?) might have been a 7030 series, and was venting about how its a nickel and diming unreliable money pit, and he was going to keep an eye out for a 4455 to replace it. IIRC you couldnt even grease the front end, and he said the last time it was in for service, they dumped 3500 in the front end, and that was the minimum recommended by the service manager, they wanted to dump 6500 in it.
The neighbor bought a brand new New Holland which looks awefully similar to that 95, and he has had a few issues over the years (plenty of leaks, MFWD quit working IIRC, hyd. remote trouble) and he doesnt use it hard at all. 3pt 6 foot rotary mower, and moving a little snow in the winter.
Stick with whatever brand you are "addicted" to, and go with an older model to get reliability back IMO.
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SE SD | Turns out I have an Associates Degree in Diesel Mechanics and worked as a John Deere technician for two years before I decided to come back to the family farm...Anyway, I never said that I didn't like the features of the 8940. There were things I liked about them and all I ever heard from others is how reliable they were. However, when you buy the supposed, "best series Case IH ever built" with only 2,900 hours on it in that good of condition and have that much go wrong with it within 600 or so hours pulling a field cultivator...I'd say THAT PARTICULAR 8940 is a nickle and dime piece of crap!! Maybe the previous owner didn't take care of it, or maybe it was just a fluke that it was one of the bad ones, who knows!?...Deere's have their problems too, I know I worked on them for a living, but on OUR farm I've never had a Deere that has had all those issues in a time span of 600 hours of use. Obviously you have better luck with RED equipment than me, or you enjoy carrying a wrench in your hand fixing stuff more than farming and making money. |
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SE SD | I'll add one more thing now that you've struck my nerve......MAINTENANCE to me is making sure that all the equipment has clean fluids, filters, good belts, batteries, lights, and tires before it goes to work. When an alternator, fuel line, water pump, mfwd switch and relay, mfwd gear case seal etc...all fail within the season it's called a REPAIR......NOT MAINTENANCE. |
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SE SD | We were looking for a good utility tractor to replace our Case IH 585 that wasn't going to break the bank. This is all our local dealer had in our price range and it was brand new. We figured we couldn't go wrong...guess we were wrong. |
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SE SD | I hear ya, I couldn't agree more! |
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SE SD | I'm starting to think the same thing. Seems like any brand today is built as cheap as possible and sold at a premium. Sure they are faster and have more operating capabilities, but that all comes with more plastic, electrical, and emissions junk to go wrong. |
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| go for a maxxum, I would skip the puma, and go to a large frame magnum not the best rep for puma's in our neck of the woods |
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Farmall 95 problems
