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Shelburne Ontario Canada | Buy a kuhn they are the complete rage around here now! Or for myself our claas out performs any thing i bin up against so far |
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mn | From what I've heard and seen, the new RB560 NH is going to ggive Deere and others a run for the money. Looks like one heck of a baler. |
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Hennepin, IL | I agree with jtp. We run a 7090 and I had a good look at an RB 560 at the FPS a year or so ago and had a long chat with the rep. Needless to say, the few issues that I see with our 7090, they've addressed and appear to have a heck of a machine. Some friends just got one this summer and haven't gotten a full report but I do know they love it. |
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| The JD resale will be twice as much as anything else in 5 years
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NE KS | JD hands down. We have a br7090 and is one of the biggest pieces of **** I've ever been around. It doesn't have very many bales on it but I absolutely hate it. It makes a decent bale but that's it. It's complicated, alot of moving parts, and the net wrap is a ioke. We would trade for a Deere but they don't want. Offered us $15k when it was 2 yrs old with less than 2000 bales so it looks like we are married to it. I've heard the 560's are even more junk. This came from someone who works in them. |
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53590 | nekfarmer - 12/26/2014 13:48
JD hands down. We have a br7090 and is one of the biggest pieces of **** I've ever been around. It doesn't have very many bales on it but I absolutely hate it. It makes a decent bale but that's it. It's complicated, alot of moving parts, and the net wrap is a ioke. We would trade for a Deere but they don't want. Offered us $15k when it was 2 yrs old with less than 2000 bales so it looks like we are married to it. I've heard the 560's are even more junk. This came from someone who works in them.
What in particular do you not like about the net? mine works flawless. |
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mn | nekfarmer - 12/26/2014 13:48
JD hands down. We have a br7090 and is one of the biggest pieces of **** I've ever been around. It doesn't have very many bales on it but I absolutely hate it. It makes a decent bale but that's it. It's complicated, alot of moving parts, and the net wrap is a ioke. We would trade for a Deere but they don't want. Offered us $15k when it was 2 yrs old with less than 2000 bales so it looks like we are married to it. I've heard the 560's are even more junk. This came from someone who works in them.
If you have problems with a NH wrap system you need to hire out your baling. :) NH is the simplest wrap system on the market. Maybe a little adjustment or different net wrap. |
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NE KS | You have to climb over the tongue twice to replace it where as John Deere its all at the back. It tears in the center, wraps around the roller and on top of that won't always put the net to the edge of the bale. Trust me nh has been working on this for 2 yrs and basically have said that's just how it is. Can't bale 5bales without messing one up. Really pisses you off when you bale next to a busy hwy. Last year I threatened to put a new holland sign next to all my aborted bales, that did light a fire for them to come work on it but they didn't help it any. |
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| ask your JD sales man about a 990 the baler that should be in the US instead of Europe ha the new 9s yea they give us the old stuff I though John deere was based in AMERICA |
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Saronville NE | I traded a 2012 568 for a 7090 speciltytcrop, love bout everything about the NH over the JD, only downfall ive found if tuff hay or rained on hay like this yr, that you cant get dry it will plug some but in dry hay it will out eat a JD . Picture perfect bales everytime, no dumped bales with no net when monitor says tied, no strips left UN wrapped. The net system is awesome all up front, easy ta start it. Will be trading for a 560 next fall. Have 5k bales on this 7090 this summer. We trade at 10k bales.
Every single thing I hated bout a JD the net system, the kicker, the cam bearings in the head, are all fixed by going to NH. |
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SE Texas | Traded a 7090 on a 560 Bale Slice for last cut. Worked great. Very happy so far.
Edited by d6btex 12/26/2014 20:18
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Southern Wisconsin | nekfarmer - 12/26/2014 13:48
JD hands down. We have a br7090 and is one of the biggest pieces of **** I've ever been around. It doesn't have very many bales on it but I absolutely hate it. It makes a decent bale but that's it. It's complicated, alot of moving parts, and the net wrap is a ioke. We would trade for a Deere but they don't want. Offered us $15k when it was 2 yrs old with less than 2000 bales so it looks like we are married to it. I've heard the 560's are even more junk. This came from someone who works in them.
I would defintly say you need to shop around for better wrap that system works good with good wrap we've always had issues like you describe with the cheap stuff. |
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NE KS | Wisconsinred - 12/26/2014 20:45
nekfarmer - 12/26/2014 13:48
JD hands down. We have a br7090 and is one of the biggest pieces of **** I've ever been around. It doesn't have very many bales on it but I absolutely hate it. It makes a decent bale but that's it. It's complicated, alot of moving parts, and the net wrap is a ioke. We would trade for a Deere but they don't want. Offered us $15k when it was 2 yrs old with less than 2000 bales so it looks like we are married to it. I've heard the 560's are even more junk. This came from someone who works in them.
I would defintly say you need to shop around for better wrap that system works good with good wrap we've always had issues like you describe with the cheap stuff.
We have tried NH net and John Deere. Our best luck has been with John Deere. NH net is more expensive, less feet per roll, and isn't near the quality John Deere is. |
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| JD by far. Everyone around here used to be NH, but after they came with the BR no one had any luck with them. Can't give a 2 or 3 year old BR away. Weak balers, especially the pickups. Also have trouble flipping the belts and the twine doesn't want to start or cut off. |
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mn | Sheep Herder - 12/26/2014 22:12
JD by far. Everyone around here used to be NH, but after they came with the BR no one had any luck with them. Can't give a 2 or 3 year old BR away. Weak balers, especially the pickups. Also have trouble flipping the belts and the twine doesn't want to start or cut off.
The early BR did have problems. Just like any machine that comes out with a new design. Why do you think Deere is keeping the new baler over seas right now? to work the bugs out before it comes here. I don't get how the NH pickups are weak when the Deere is the one known for an exploding pickup. |
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Hennepin, IL | Hate to say it, but if you want quality net wrap you have shopped in the two absolute worst places. Although not exactly sure which is worse. We use Hennessey's Best from Hennessey Implement in Dodgeville, WI, but there are many other wrap companies that have an equally as good product. As a matter of fact I believe another NAT member sells some high quality net wrap, maybe someone will chime in because I can't remember who it is. |
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Nebraska | The pickup bands are too tall/high in the NH, has to lift the crop to far. Doesn't feed as well as low profile pickup in JD.
Whats the model number of the deere baler overseas your talking about? |
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NE KS | Why would nh build a baler that you couldn't use their net in? It's not the net, its the baler. I'm not going to spend extra money for different net when the 568 bailing right next to me only misses maybe once in 1000 bales at most. |
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mn | nekfarmer - 12/27/2014 16:32
Why would nh build a baler that you couldn't use their net in? It's not the net, its the baler. I'm not going to spend extra money for different net when the 568 bailing right next to me only misses maybe once in 1000 bales at most.
So you would rather spend the extra money on a different baler when there are others like yours all over that work fine? NH net is no different than JD net. Its a generic brand with a manufacturers name on it. If you do a little research you will find that there is MUCH better wrap out there that is actually lower priced. JD has plenty of net problems too.
Edited by jtpfarm 12/27/2014 17:17
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Hennepin, IL | To save him the hassle of searching, the stuff we use is generally $185 per 7000 ft roll. That's 64" wrap which works nice for us because is covers to the edge but not over the edge. |
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NE KS | AVP_Matt - 12/27/2014 17:25
To save him the hassle of searching, the stuff we use is generally $185 per 7000 ft roll. That's 64" wrap which works nice for us because is covers to the edge but not over the edge.
JD net wrap edge to edge (64") 9200 ft is $175ish if you buy it this month. |
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mn | nekfarmer - 12/27/2014 22:14
AVP_Matt - 12/27/2014 17:25
To save him the hassle of searching, the stuff we use is generally $185 per 7000 ft roll. That's 64" wrap which works nice for us because is covers to the edge but not over the edge.
JD net wrap edge to edge (64" ) 9200 ft is $175ish if you buy it this month.
Wow, you won't find 64x7000 Deere anywhere around here for under $220. Regardless, the Deere stuff is the same junk you buy at the location farm store. Made by Tama. After using the good stuff you will never want to touch a roll of the other stuff again. There is 0 comparison between the two. |
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Saronville NE | The JD 9000 ft rolls are like 300+ here. After switching to Pritchett wrap, our problems went down on JD an no problems w the NH. |
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Central NY | Owned both. JD makes a tighter and heavier bale in dry hay. We did tear up belts periodically but we also worked it pretty hard. Got pretty good at patching belts and always kept 2 spares on hand. Mostly baleage now so we went to NH7060 3 or 4 years ago. Doesn't make bales as heavy. Had a set of belts replaced under warranty thinking that might help making tighter bales. No luck. Then they added a kit to try to put more tension on the belts. Didn't make a difference. It has to be washed periodically to keep the tread on the belts clean for wet hay or it won't start a bale very well. Net wrap works fine with any brand for us.
Neighbor has new JD and absolutely hates it. One problem after another with controller or wiring harness. JD can't seem to solve the electrical problems. He wants to trade on Claas baler but they don't want his one year old baler on trade. Other neighbor had issue with net wrap and electrical on NH but dealer fixed those issues.
If I was making only dry hay I would choose JD due to the tighter bales. |
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| jtpfarm - 12/26/2014 22:54 Sheep Herder - 12/26/2014 22:12 JD by far. Everyone around here used to be NH, but after they came with the BR no one had any luck with them. Can't give a 2 or 3 year old BR away. Weak balers, especially the pickups. Also have trouble flipping the belts and the twine doesn't want to start or cut off. The early BR did have problems. Just like any machine that comes out with a new design. Why do you think Deere is keeping the new baler over seas right now? to work the bugs out before it comes here. I don't get how the NH pickups are weak when the Deere is the one known for an exploding pickup. |
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Saronville NE | There was the problem you said it twine. ;) ;) |
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Saronville NE | Seen opposite here got customers complaining that the NH bales are too tight an heavy, got asked to turn it down. I always ran pressure pretty high on my JD, if I run the pressure over 1500 on my NH im making1750 lb grass bales an 2k+ lb alfalfa bales w dry hay. |
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mn | ahay68979 - 12/28/2014 10:50
Seen opposite here got customers complaining that the NH bales are too tight an heavy, got asked to turn it down. I always ran pressure pretty high on my JD, if I run the pressure over 1500 on my NH im making1750 lb grass bales an 2k+ lb alfalfa bales w dry hay.
Same here. The NH will make a bale like a rock. Seems when guys crank the pressure all the way up on the Deere they torch themselves. I'd say it's about 50/50 Deere to NH here. Also about 100/1 wrap to twine. Can't hardly give a twine baler away here.
In the end, I don't think either brand is better than the other. They both have their strengths and weaknesses. 90% of it comes down to adjustments and operator.
Edited by jtpfarm 12/28/2014 11:59
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Southern Wisconsin | AVP_Matt - 12/26/2014 23:08
Hate to say it, but if you want quality net wrap you have shopped in the two absolute worst places. Although not exactly sure which is worse. We use Hennessey's Best from Hennessey Implement in Dodgeville, WI, but there are many other wrap companies that have an equally as good product. As a matter of fact I believe another NAT member sells some high quality net wrap, maybe someone will chime in because I can't remember who it is.
I think Hennessy best is one if the poorest quality, I'm about a half hour from there and we go to a case ih dealer ship I forget the name of the wrap but it's blue and it's about 100 times better than hennesy's best and we have had almost no issues with it. Love bill but that net wrap sucks |
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Hennepin, IL | Really? Honestly since we started using this we have had NO net issues that weren't operator induced. Before that we used a little NH bought some bales with deere wrap and used Vermeer quite a bit. The only one of those three that we thought was as tough a Hennessey's was vermeer, but it doesn't cover as well. I guess as long as it works for us, we'll probably just stick with it. |
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Southern Wisconsin | I should mention this was back around 2012 when we switched, you guys drive all the way up here for net? |
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Hennepin, IL | I went to school in platteville, so I make a few "stops" along the way. |
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Southern Wisconsin | Haha I see. Either way it's probably worth the drive for the prices at bills! Can't beat em |
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JD or New Holland Round Baler?
