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SW MINNESOTA | Why don't you see many case ih magnums with the suspended front axel compared to as many ILS equipped john deeres? Is it not needed with cab suspension? Not as good? Or simply not pushed as hard?
Possibly ordering a new magnum and wondering if it's something to consider? |
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Texas Panhandle | Out here I would say there is just as many. It's not gonna be quite as good as ILS is independent side to side. I've had it for 5 years or so and like it. Have had zero problems with it. I think that combined with cab suspension is about a good as you can do. |
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Louise, TX | I have my second 340 with both cab and front suspension. If I had to choose I would get the front suspension. Helps put power to the ground and a lot better ride
I also have a 8335r with ILS and the case is very comparable. |
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South Africa | We have a 315 Magnum without it and to be honest its not the most comfortable do drive. If you ordering a new one I would definitely get it. |
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Southeastern, IL | hobby95 - 10/15/2014 14:13
Why don't you see many case ih magnums with the suspended front axel compared to as many ILS equipped john deeres? Is it not needed with cab suspension? Not as good? Or simply not pushed as hard?
Possibly ordering a new magnum and wondering if it's something to consider?
We have a New Holland T8420 with the suspension on the front (same as Case IH) and we also have a JD 8345R with ILS. They are not even close on how well they ride. The JD is far superior over the other, on ride. |
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| Since the option has been available, we as a dealer have ordered every single tractor with the suspended front axle. Like others have said, it assists in putting the power to the ground and enhances the ride. We have had very few problems with the suspension. A couple occasions I can think of it was more of an issue with a stalk grabbing the harness kind of deal which is rare. |
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Byron, WY | We have a 290 and a 225 with suspended from axles. I really like them both. The 225 has suspended cab also so it is much smoother. You will like it plus I think it will help the resale value. |
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SE Nebraska | Most magnums are sold with the suspended front end around here. I have both the front axle and cab suspended in my 260. It sure makes a difference in ride. |
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Soutwest Ks. | Don't know about the question, but is it possible that Deere tends to have a little more problems with power hop! I have a Magnum with front suspension and around here I thought most had the option, but I have never verified that. I know the Deeres without suspended front were very prone to power hop and owners trading out of the 8300-8400 series probably wanted a remedy for the problem and were quick to jump on the ILS bandwagon. I have seen numerous of the older Deeres around here bouncing through the field. |
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Southwest Iowa | I have the suspended front axle on my 315 and it helps a lot. Still rides a little rough with front duals but I can only imagine what it would be like without it. |
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Eastern VA. No such thing as too many Magnums. | I have two 305s. They both have 480-38 front duals. One has suspension, one doesn't. The only reason I DONT like the front suspension, is because you have to set the stops for a shallower turn radius on the suspended axle, or the duals will rub the fuel tank. I call BS on putting more power to the ground. If you're not bouncing, and the weight and tires are the same, you should have no traction advantage with the suspension. To be honest I never noticed much bounce with my non suspended 305. However, you will notice a considerable difference in price. It's all about ride. |
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Fond du lac | 315 with a saddle suspension is better then a 305 with a cradle suspension. Throw in the cab suspension and the ride is pretty smooth. Never driven a Deere with ils. |
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| A high three point hitch draft load will cause weight transfer from front to rear, raising the front axle. With FSUS, the front axle is pushed back down to the ground. Thus providing more power to the ground. |
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Eastern VA. No such thing as too many Magnums. | suspension can't push down, it can only lift the front higher. The only way to push down, is to transfer weight from rear to front, suspension is not transferring weight. |
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| Yeah, when it raises the front end, the cylinders are applying the same pressure downward on the axle. So it pushes the axle to the ground. |
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VA | I believe your line of reasoning is incorrect. The weight of the front of the tractor does not change no matter the height above the front axle (within reason of course). Think of it as holding a barbell. If you lift it from your waist to your chest, your feet are not pushed into the floor any harder than when you were holding it at your waist. |
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Eastern VA. No such thing as too many Magnums. | tractor_guy - 10/16/2014 21:57
Yeah, when it raises the front end, the cylinders are applying the same pressure downward on the axle. So it pushes the axle to the ground.
Sorry bud, raising up the front end doesn't apply any more down pressure on the tires. |
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| I understand what you're saying, but you have hydraulic cylinders applying pressure in the extend direction trying to keep the axle and power on the ground the best it can if a high draft load is trying to pull the front end off the ground. In your example you are leaving out the fsus system. |
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VA |
"I understand what you're saying, but you have hydraulic cylinders applying pressure in the extend direction trying to keep the axle and power on the ground the best it can if a high draft load is trying to pull the front end off the ground. In your example you are leaving out the fsus system. "
That is because the fsus has no bearing on the example. But just for the sake of discussion, in my example of the guy lifting weights, you can put springs (or cylinders with accumulators) in his knees and it does not make his feet push down on the ground any harder. The cylinders can only apply the pressure from the weight on top of them (the nose of the tractor). The nose does not change in weight regardless of the gap between the axle and frame. The high draft will lessen the weight on the front which will change the weight on the axle, but again, the suspension is irrelevant.
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