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SW Wisconsin | Which machine is better performing in high yielding 200+ bushel corn around the 20% moisture range? Would most likely be running a 12 row head on it. Never been around lexion but have read some very impressive reviews on them in the past. Which will have better longevity? Dealer support is equal in the area so that really isn't a factor. Also just roughly which machine is going to cost more or less? |
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Ogallala,NE | In those conditions, I'd say the 740 will have considerably more capacity, at least 30% more. A lexion handles a wide variety of not-so-ideal conditions (such as high moisture corn) very well because you can adjust and control the threshing (cylinder speed & concaves) separately from the separation (twin rotors speed and rotor covers). Once you get used to it, this gives you many more options when you need to fine tune it for a certain situation.
A 740 in 20+ moisture would probably be limited by horsepower before threshing or separation capacity. Maybe someone who runs a 740 will chime in, I know there's a couple on here.
Last time I saw the numbers, the Lexion will cost you a little more money. |
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Central Nebraska | Never 740 but two 570s before a 760 and I would say the 740 will be better as long as it has a deep tooth sieve. I have seen lots of red combines around me that don't run short on power but on ability to keep in what they can thresh. My limiting factor on my 570s was the returns. Way better than the class 7 deeres which I had and have a good friend who has a new one and can't keep in high moisture corn and he shoves an 8 row! |
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| The 7230 will have no capacity problems...it's got the same insides as a 9230 but it will only be able to go 3.5 to have enough power |
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East Central Ia | I went from a 7120 to a 740 and the Lexion has way more capacity in corn... And that gap gets bigger the higher moisture the corn is.
I don't have much experience with the wider body red machines but I would still think the 740 would have substantially more capacity than a 7230 and do it on much less fuel.
4,500 bph doesn't even make my 740 sweat... And that's in 22% corn and around 1/2 bpa loss on around 1 gpa of fuel.
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West Michigan | Not sure the price of a red one but I just bought a new 750tt and it was way cheaper than a S690 on tires. $80k cheaper and Everything else on my farm is green. Not big enough for Mud discounts. Corn head was quite a bit cheaper and the 1200 Maxflex is used and not cheap. |
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| As was said, the Lexion 740 is the better performing combine, and this performance gap does widen as the moisture increases over 20%. More capacity, significantly lower losses, easier adaptabilty to changing conditions, etc. etc. The Lexion also wins on longevity and fuel economy over the CNH machine. Can't really speak much as to the pricing of the two, but I can tell you that the red one should be quite a bit cheaper. |
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north,ala | ive been around red machines all my life and I call bs on the longevity part ,look at all those moving parts friend had a time on some variable pulley on his. I will agree was with a 585 few years ago it was a beast I high moist corn. |
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| I have a 2013 750 TT for sale with only 226 working hours for $150,000.00 less than new. Been shedded, like new,condition confirmed by Warren Cat. Perfect condition, has only cut mainly sunflowers and a little low yielding milo. Pictures are on classified in this website. Asking only $299,000.00. This machine will be a real blessing to someone in wet corn country.
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juniata co. Pennsylvania | Well after running a 2188 switch to 560r lexion .I can say lexion better on fuel capacity and less losses and have no problem with all belts and pulleys .have great dealer service here .would be hard to go to red again |
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SESD | I've seen your ad for a while. Why are you selling? Over $660/sep hour sounds like quite a beating.
Edited by JRthefarmer 7/7/2014 09:37
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| I am mainly a sunflower grower, Lexion over thrashes , My Cases did a much better job on sunflowers. Made every change factory recommended , much lower capacity in sunflowers. My 750 TT will be a real bargain for someone in wet corn country. I had no fires or any other problems with the machine. The only problem was a factory recall on the alternator; it was replaced, oil & filter changed, air filter changed. My 750 TT is field ready.
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| FWIW a neighbor has ran Lexion's for 6 years, had two 570Rs and then a 740 or whatever the class VII on tires is and now there is a 8120 sitting in their shed. They like the Lexion's capacity in corn and fuel usage is great on it but reliability hasn't been that good. They are willing to give up a little bit of capacity to go back to a simpler combine and actually be able to keep it running in the field. |
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Portland, ND | There is now way a 740 has more capacity than a 8120. We ran a 740 and 8120 side by side in the field for 5000+ acres last season, and the 8120 had more capacity in wheat, canola, and soybeans. The 740 was new, and the 8120 had about 800 engine hours.
The 8120 used lots more fuel, but it had more capacity.
The 740 was not the best match for a 12r30 chopping head around here. I think a 750 would have been better. |
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The Internet | I find the reliability problems hard to believe. |
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Flora IL | Hey even lexion im sure can build a lemon.... well then again...........................
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| Be careful not to confuse capacity with throughput. An 8120 does have considerably more power, particularly over a 2013 or older 740, which will enable it to win just about any contest that solely looks at ground speed as the defining measure of 'capacity' when in reality that is just throughput. This is especially true wtih larger chopping cornheads on the front that can require immense amounts of power, thereby rendering the processor of the machine as not being the limiting factor. True capacity measures are throughput levels at or below a defined level of acceptable losses, and this is where the Lexion excels, particularly over a Case in high moisture corn. I do not doubt that the Case won the ground speed comparison alone in your experience - its huge power advantage alone would give it a big upper hand in throughput in highly power-intensive scenarios such as chopping cornheads and larger platforms, tough MOG, and high straw chopper requirements that don't allow the machines to be operated at their limit for processor efficiency.
Now, let's get back to the original poster's question, and if you'll refer back to that, you'll find that he is asking about high moisture corn, and in this cropping arena, the Lexion is going to have considerably more true capacity as defined by throughput measured at or below a defined level of acceptability - typically 1 bu/acre in corn harvest. T |
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| Ah, I was hoping someone would pipe up with the 'look at all the moving parts' argument. My friend, EVERY part on a combine is a moving part - so all of those steel hydraulic lines that 'appear' to be fool-proof and stationary are, in fact, moving parts, and as such, are subject to fatigue, vibration, and yes, failure - no different than (gasp), a belt and pulley. One is easy to troubleshoot and renew, the other much less so. Now, let us discuss reliability and longevity/durability. Reliability is something that can be measured across a machine population as an MTBF, a mean time between failures. Durability or longevity, then, is more a measure of the number of hours or better, bushels/acres of crop that particular components on machines last before requiring replacement (things like feeder chains, augers, concaves, rasp bars, elevator chains, etc.). Nope, longevity still goes to the Claas here. |
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| Is it over-threshing or over-separating? In almost all cases, a Lexion can be guilty of over-separating - by virtue of its very large separating areas and long twin rotor design. The high amounts of MOG that get separated place too much load on teh cleaning shoe and result in higher losses. Question, did you try flax rotors in your machine to deal with this issue? |
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Ogallala,NE | I am pretty sure the OP asked about high moisture corn. A 740 set up correctly will run circles around an 8120 in high moisture corn, unless you ignore what's on the ground behind the red one. Sure it will knock the rows down and get some in the bin at 5000 bph, but if you slow down to the point the loss levels are even, the Lexion will walk away. |
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Lexion 740 vs. Case 7230
