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southwest in | what the stories on repowered 5010/5020 dereres?
i seen some old magazines with ads for them, were they cummins,or detroit or what?
was the original motor no good? rear end able to use that much power?
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East central Indiana | My understanding of the repowers were people would swap after having motor trouble or would want more power. I own a 5010 and 2 5020s. All have plenty of stock power. But I'm not using them as the factory intended.
The rear ends are very heavy built and hold up well. Till you turn it into a pulling tractor. |
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Embarrass WI | The ones I remember seeing at auctions 'back in the day' had Detroits, other guys called them "318"s. I think that would be a 8V-71.
At the time, I thought they were a cobbled mess, and most everybody else must have , too, because they didn't bring much-barely over scrap price.
Now, I think having one would be pretty cool. |
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Faunsdale, AL | Never could understand the reasoning behind a 8V71 @ 318 hp over the 238-250 hp available from a 6-71 or a 6V71. Guess it's a case of "more is better" ! |
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| I always thought the 318 was the 6-53 Detroit engine.
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West Central IL | Here's one my family had years ago with a Cat repower..possibly from a place around Annawan IL
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Corydon, IA | The ones I'm familiar with were Kinze repowers. Neighbor had a 5020 with a 318 Detroit that came from Jon and later had a 4020 with a 6V-71 Detroit that came from Kinzenbaugh. |
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South Central Illinois | I think the 6030 has the same transmission and rear axle. I have been told the 5010/5020 was over built so with the 6030 they just installed a larger engine. |
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Devils Lake, ND | The 318 is 2 cylinders shorter. More room for fan and radiator. |
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Vicksburg MI 49097 | ccjersey - 3/23/2014 12:21
Never could understand the reasoning behind a 8V71 @ 318 hp over the 238-250 hp available from a 6-71 or a 6V71. Guess it's a case of "more is better" !
I have lots of good running V-671's for sale.. |
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Vicksburg MI 49097 | Indianajones - 3/23/2014 12:22
I always thought the 318 was the 6-53 Detroit engine.
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The 6V-53 is 318 Cubes but no where near 318 HP 6-71 426 cubs 71 cubes per cylinder.. 53 cubes per cylinder 92 cubes per cylinder ect. They were called Naturals with blower only.. some times they put a turbo on top of the Blower then a 8-V71 was 375 HP or more
They made some screaming 6-V53 with Turbos and even after-coolers too. |
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Vicksburg MI 49097 | 1967806 - 3/23/2014 12:28
The ones I'm familiar with were Kinze repowers. Neighbor had a 5020 with a 318 Detroit that came from Jon and later had a 4020 with a 6V-71 Detroit that came from Kinzenbaugh.
I remember reading about the Kinze re-power kit that used the 318 HP 8-V71.. I know a guy that put an 8-V71 in a 4 wheel drive Minneapolis Moline too.. but the clutch could not hold the load so he used smaller injectors so it's only 290 HP or less...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbOYAJ1jbQs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXLP4XA-fLc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-wCcP2oM-E full pull
Here is a factory stock Oliver with a 4-53 Detroit they turned 2,800 71's turned 2300 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTWwtXuSYAM |
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Northwest Il. | I would like to hear more about the one with the Cat repower possibly from around Annawan Il. I don't remember ever seeing it or hearing about it. Im thinking maybe a project out of Warners Turbo Shop if it was in this area? |
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Vicksburg MI 49097 | This Right Tractor and the Big Bud used a 16-V detroit Diesel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOFhpaOiNUQ
Here is a Big Bud with a modern 4 stroke engine.. you couldn't even turn this rig around in fields around me.. Must be North Dokota or Montana or something
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFkwQlF_BTA
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this one is in Saskatchewan CND |
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Ne Iowa | Neighbor had one with a 619 JD.... Originally from an 8630. |
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Vicksburg MI 49097 | 3208 Cats cam from the Factory in Olivers and Whites https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X518TYGK3i4
http://talk.newagtalk.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=202404&Display... Scroll down the photos and you will see a 5020 JD with a 3208 cat in it |
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Vicksburg MI 49097 | CATTRAX - 3/23/2014 13:09
I would like to hear more about the one with the Cat repower possibly from around Annawan Il. I don't remember ever seeing it or hearing about it. Im thinking maybe a project out of Warners Turbo Shop if it was in this area?
Here's one my family had years ago with a Cat repower..possibly from a place around Annawan IL ask KMK about it ... I see he has an e-mail address in his Profile |
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west central Iowa | Has anybody else heard this story of Jon Kinzenbaw and the first repowered 5020. I can't remember who told me and I don't know if it is true or not. They said he painted the first one purple and hooked on the biggest plow he could find and showed up uninvited at the Farm Progress show at the plowing demo field and out worked most or all of the new tractors. |
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Western Ky. | There is a 6030 close to our farm that has a 6-92 silver Detroit in it that is a beast. I think it is set to 400 hp. |
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w/c Illinois | My BIL had a 5020 with an 8V71. One modification Kinze made to the transmission was sixth gear was welded to the mainshaft. It was originally held in place by a snap ring, and the extra horsepower put enough pressure on the helical cut gear that the gear would shear the snap ring off and slide down the shaft as the spiral teeth unscrewed from each other. |
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Warburg, AB | What did they do for the bell housing, custom made piece?
Bruce
Edited by Bruce Avison 3/23/2014 14:54
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| I've got a 1970 5020 and for the weight they had the engine could have had more power. I've never had trouble with my engine, except for an overhaul at nearly 10,000 due to high oil usage. They are a very reliable engine, just lacking a little in the pull dept. |
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| What did they do to strengthen the clutch. Cannot believe that the original would handle 400 horse.
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| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXLP4XA-fLc
this one really seems to go. Would need a good set of ear plugs though
edit: i see marlhauler has the same tractor posted above
Edited by neiowa 3/23/2014 15:34
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Mid Michigan | That one he had on Classic Tractor Fever on RFD TV was pretty impressive. Thing was running around with a big 30 foot disk like it wasn't back there. Was a pretty interesting story about him and the history of his business. |
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| ccjersey - 3/23/2014 13:21
Never could understand the reasoning behind a 8V71 @ 318 hp over the 238-250 hp available from a 6-71 or a 6V71. Guess it's a case of "more is better" !
Because V-8 is much cooler than a V-6...everyone knows that ;) |
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ecmn | I told dad when we redo our 5020 we should get the 955 v-8 from john deere. going to do a repower do it right. I have seen some local repowers, they look cool but just not doing it for me.
I think a 619 repower would be a very clean nice project. |
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| Wouldn't take me too long to get tired of listening to that. I remember when I was a kid, neighbor had a pair of the Olivers with the factory Detroits in them. Turned up way over stock and straight pipes on both, you could hear them miles away.
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Northeast MO | I have a 6030 with a 619 repower in it. Fits really well, but sits a little higher in the frame or else the 619 is a taller engine, my air cleaner canister sits out of the hood about 3" higher than before, and the muffler is farther forward. Overall, it is an awesome tractor! |
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Ashland County Ohio | Three horsepower and 18 oil leaks is what they used to say about them. |
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NORTHERN IOWA | i have a 5020 with 8v71 and a 4020 with a 6v71 they have truck clutches in them. came from a gentleman from lost nation, iowa |
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ECWI | the 5010/5020 trans have NO parts or gears that are the same but the axles may swap on earlier 6030's to 5020. . . Ive seen the stock 6030 clutch with heavier springs take 650+hp and hold for quite some time. |
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ECWI | the exhaust manifolds on the 619 is taller. for a 619 repower, use the exhaust manifold off a 6030 531, and it will fit under the hood like OEM fit |
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West Central IL | I was only in grade school back then so I don't remember much about it and the ones who know the details have passed on. |
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