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bigbear
Posted 3/3/2014 19:35 (#3730765)
Subject: Cattle terms


North America

I find it interesting all the cattle terms that different areas use.  I have been around cattle my whole life, grew up on a dairy/feedlot farm, have an animal science degree, full time dairyman and some of the terms you guys use are completely foreign to me.

1.  what is a black baldie?  I think your referring to black white faces which Herford's usually breed in
2. deacon calf?  drop calf or bottle calf
3. some different names for greys and stuff have been mentioned

add your own in

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German Shepherd
Posted 3/3/2014 19:45 (#3730811 - in reply to #3730765)
Subject: RE: Cattle terms


I've never heard of a deacon calf.   As to what I call most grey's, it's a Rat Tail.   Not the most desirable critter to run through a sales barn.

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agfarms
Posted 3/3/2014 19:58 (#3730859 - in reply to #3730811)
Subject: RE: Cattle terms


NWPA
Rat tail the same as smoke I guess. Didn't know they were junk.:-) I like them, maybe a here thing angus char crosses. I like them.
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milofarmer1
Posted 3/3/2014 20:05 (#3730880 - in reply to #3730859)
Subject: RE: Cattle terms



Texas/New Mexico Stateline
I often hear people complain the cattle are too "cross breedy". i.e. too much Brahman influence. I don't know how wide ranging those terms are.


When a group starts getting sick sometimes folks say they are "wadding up" on them.

Holsteins are "spotted" cattle.

"Fancy" just means they aren't mine.
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Poverty acres
Posted 3/3/2014 20:13 (#3730921 - in reply to #3730880)
Subject: RE: Cattle terms


Central SD

"Fancy" just means they aren't mine.

Lol. That's a good one.
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MCatSHF
Posted 3/3/2014 20:19 (#3730941 - in reply to #3730765)
Subject: RE: Cattle terms



Sandy Hook, MB

Hello Bigbear

I can't stand it when people are referring to "cattle" & they use the word "cows". 

Reason for edit: Add some ". 

Some that were new to me were "cake" & "broken mouth". I guess "cake" isn't a cattle term, but a feed term.



Edited by MCatSHF 3/3/2014 20:25
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German Shepherd
Posted 3/3/2014 20:32 (#3730983 - in reply to #3730941)
Subject: RE: Cattle terms


I agree on the cows thing.   My wife's sister, and they grew up on a Minnesota dairy farm, always refers to all beef and dairy animals as cows.  Doesn't matter, they could be steers, but she insists that the word "cow" is generic and thus they are cows. 

You've probably guessed she's a blonde too.

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cowsncorn
Posted 3/3/2014 20:34 (#3730988 - in reply to #3730811)
Subject: RE: Cattle terms


ne ne mo
A rat tail is not a char-angus cross. It is most likely to have some simmi in them. They do not have a switch on their tail, usually a dark brown color, and real short, almost kinky hair. Some people think they don't do cold weather as well. In warmer weather, they typically will gain real well in a feedlot. And no, they don't do well at the sale barn.
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cowsncorn
Posted 3/3/2014 20:36 (#3730994 - in reply to #3730941)
Subject: RE: Cattle terms


ne ne mo
Aren't they all cows except the ones with horns? We all know those are bulls. LOL
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cowsncorn
Posted 3/3/2014 20:40 (#3731003 - in reply to #3730765)
Subject: RE: Cattle terms


ne ne mo
The dairy guys referring to collered cattle. My understanding is that refers to any beef animal. Is that correct?
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M&M's
Posted 3/3/2014 20:40 (#3731008 - in reply to #3730765)
Subject: RE: Cattle terms


NESD
Just couldn't pass up my chance to get my Black Baldie joke in again. Just doin my part to keep the mood lite. By the way none of these "cows" gotcha MCat, are "green". A common term used around here. The first picture is a real Black Baldie, the second, not so much.



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German Shepherd
Posted 3/3/2014 20:45 (#3731026 - in reply to #3730988)
Subject: RE: Cattle terms


My rats always came out of a char cow.   Only have had a few over the years and not every char threw on, but when I got one, it came from them.    And boy do the buyers love to discount those guys in the sales barn.

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MCatSHF
Posted 3/3/2014 20:55 (#3731077 - in reply to #3731026)
Subject: RE: Cattle terms



Sandy Hook, MB

Hello Sheep Herder

Mine come from some of my Black Baldie cows bred with a Hereford bull. Previous Hereford bulls (3 I think) with this basically the same cow herd never threw any.

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stevepfrm
Posted 3/3/2014 20:59 (#3731086 - in reply to #3730765)
Subject: RE: Cattle terms


Norton,KS
I've heard "soggy", not sure what that might mean.
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jimjr
Posted 3/3/2014 21:05 (#3731112 - in reply to #3731077)
Subject: RE: Cattle terms



swMN
I've seen the rattail, curly hairs come from baldy cows and polled Hereford bulls also.
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tj33
Posted 3/3/2014 21:10 (#3731132 - in reply to #3730765)
Subject: RE: Cattle terms


I'd like to know what the term "cake" means to those that use it. I've seen pictures on here and they looked like what I call range cubes. If that's what cake is, do you buy by the bag or bulk?
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John SD
Posted 3/3/2014 21:11 (#3731135 - in reply to #3730941)
Subject: RE: Cattle terms



MCatSHF - 3/3/2014 18:19

Hello Bigbear

I can't stand it when people are referring to "cattle" & they use the word "cows". 

Reason for edit: Add some ". 

Some that were new to me were "cake" & "broken mouth". I guess "cake" isn't a cattle term, but a feed term.



And "cake broke" refers to any cattle that know how to eat cake. Especially used when describing younger animals such as yearlings or bred heifers.

"Bunk broke" refers to calves that know how to eat from a feed bunk.
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John SD
Posted 3/3/2014 21:15 (#3731156 - in reply to #3731132)
Subject: RE: Cattle terms



tj33 - 3/3/2014 19:10

I'd like to know what the term "cake" means to those that use it. I've seen pictures on here and they looked like what I call range cubes. If that's what cake is, do you buy by the bag or bulk?


At another site I visit, seems like everyone buys cake by the bag. I point out that bagged cake is prohibitively expensive compared to bulk cake. Not to mention the additional aggravation of manhandling and disposal of all those bags.
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skytalker
Posted 3/3/2014 21:21 (#3731178 - in reply to #3731132)
Subject: RE: Cattle terms



Southwest Oklahoma
How about boners and breakers or canners and cuttters.
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MeadowlandsBeef
Posted 3/3/2014 21:22 (#3731182 - in reply to #3731008)
Subject: RE: Cattle terms



Northern Minnesota

Very nice pictures.  I am looking for some fenceline bunk feeders like in your pictures.  Would you mind telling where you got them or what brand they are?  Can you just set them in line alone or do they have to be reinforced with post in the ground?  How do you like them? Thanks!

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jc1206
Posted 3/3/2014 21:28 (#3731206 - in reply to #3731156)
Subject: RE: Cattle terms


northern IL
"Rednecks"=red angus , hereford cross

Do you put out rolls for the cows?

Or do you feed the cows hay ?

"Blue roan" =black angus ,shorthorn cross

POS= not very good quality







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milofarmer1
Posted 3/3/2014 21:48 (#3731278 - in reply to #3731156)
Subject: RE: Cattle terms



Texas/New Mexico Stateline
John SD - 3/3/2014 20:15
I point out that bagged cake is prohibitively expensive compared to bulk cake. Not to mention the additional aggravation of manhandling and disposal of all those bags.

Ah, but not to the weekend warriors that have 3-4 cows to "mess with".
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tjdub
Posted 3/3/2014 22:03 (#3731329 - in reply to #3730921)
Subject: RE: Cattle terms


Poverty acres - 3/3/2014 19:13


"Fancy" just means they aren't mine.

Lol. That's a good one.


Also, "reputation" isn't specific, it just means that they have one.
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NEIndiana
Posted 3/3/2014 22:17 (#3731368 - in reply to #3731329)
Subject: RE: Cattle terms


Columbia City, Indiana
What is a "dark cutter?" Also wondered about broken mouth cows, I've heard that term on Superior Sales on RFD-TV.
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t-boss
Posted 3/3/2014 22:19 (#3731375 - in reply to #3730765)
Subject: RE: Cattle terms



sc ia
A guy asked me one time what a heifer bull was. He thought it must be a defective animal that had both male and female parts.
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Haleiwa
Posted 3/3/2014 22:21 (#3731380 - in reply to #3731003)
Subject: RE: Cattle terms



West Chazy, New York

No, it means any breed except Holstein.  It always amused me how many dairymen would refer to any beef animal as a steer.

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RFI90
Posted 3/3/2014 22:27 (#3731397 - in reply to #3731368)
Subject: RE: Cattle terms


Northeast Iowa
A dark cutter is one whose muscle doesn't appear uniformly red when exposed to air after processing. You'll either see dark red blotches or a really dark red color (almost purple) on the meat. It's typically caused by stress prior to or during loading and travel to harvest, or from high-strung cattle that are always nervous and flighty. On a quality-based grid, most dark cutters are discounted $25 to $35 / cwt. The meat may be okay, but the color makes it a tough sell in a retail case. Grinding it up to blend away may be the only option.

Broken mouth cows are the ones with less than a full set of teeth. It's a way for jockeys and traders to make an undesirable animal sound better. No doubt The Google Rancher will chime in with more.



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RFI90
Posted 3/3/2014 22:32 (#3731412 - in reply to #3731086)
Subject: RE: Cattle terms


Northeast Iowa
I was never sure either until a bull seller informed me I prefer soggy cattle after I passed on a few prospects. It's hard to describe, but if you look at the overall muscle pattern and depth of an animal, a soggy one will be loose-muscled and generally sporting a lot of shape in a side view. The easiest way may be to show you a couple pictures of soggy vs. un-soggy.

Hope that the additional pictures give you a better idea. Sort of one of those "I-know-it-when-I-see-it" kind of things.



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M&M's
Posted 3/3/2014 22:43 (#3731443 - in reply to #3731182)
Subject: RE: Cattle terms


NESD
No problem. They work great for what I am doing with them in these lots. I can expand or even make a new lot real easy. If the sun is out and IF the temps can get even in the twenties they will melt out of there is any frozen stuff in them. You do not need any posts to tie them to. I did put a chain around the ends just for my satisfaction but I don't think it was really needed. I did not have any cement to put them on for these two lots in the pictures I will post. I can just remove a couple if I want to clean the lot and not have to fish thru the gate every load. They may not be the cheapest and they may not last forever, but there is a place for them. They are made over by Faulkton SD not to far from me. Hope this helps.



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MichBeef
Posted 3/3/2014 22:47 (#3731449 - in reply to #3730765)
Subject: RE: Cattle terms


Breckenridge, MI
I've always figured deacon calves were the week old Holstein calves at a sale barn. Same as a bucket calf or a bottle calf.

It's interesting some of the synonyms we have for the same thing in our own industry. Cutting a steer out of a group versus sorting him out. "Working" cattle or "processing" cattle. "Heiferette" or "Amazing that she's still alive".

Lastly I hate the term colored cattle... Never really made sense to me. Why not just refer to them as "beef cattle"?
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tjdub
Posted 3/3/2014 23:22 (#3731520 - in reply to #3730765)
Subject: RE: Cattle terms


For a long time I never knew why auctioneers at the salesbarn would yell "SHE BUMPS!" or "SHE BUMPS A CALF!" when selling a heavy bred cow. Knew what it meant, but didn't know until recently that "bumping" is a method to preg-check a springing cow just by feeling for the calf on her abdomen.
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Crete
Posted 3/4/2014 05:41 (#3731635 - in reply to #3731003)
Subject: RE: Cattle terms


Badger State
Correct.
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MNBEEF
Posted 3/4/2014 06:40 (#3731701 - in reply to #3731375)
Subject: RE: Cattle terms


MN
That would be a freemartin...infertile heifer
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Reyem
Posted 3/4/2014 07:18 (#3731779 - in reply to #3730765)
Subject: RE: Cattle terms


SW IA
A little calf crawls through the fence and neighbor calls and says "Your cows are out".
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Roy@ranch
Posted 3/4/2014 07:40 (#3731822 - in reply to #3731412)
Subject: RE: Cattle terms


North Cental Mo.
A hard fed bull vs a cow on pasture? Bull is way fat, which would be soggy in my book.

Roy
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bacon
Posted 3/4/2014 08:24 (#3731930 - in reply to #3731779)
Subject: RE: Cattle terms


SC North Dakota
I will get a call. Your cows are all out. That will get your heart rate up. Hurry up and go check and there will be a couple calves and a cow or two out. I guess all out means different things.
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mn2
Posted 3/4/2014 11:28 (#3732276 - in reply to #3731930)
Subject: RE: Cattle terms


watching ft pierre on internet they'll say " shes got a little plug of chewing tobacco" ( small lump on jaw) the one I like is " she's got a headlight that's not working" (blind in one eye)
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justanothercase
Posted 3/4/2014 13:50 (#3732517 - in reply to #3730765)
Subject: RE: Cattle terms


SWND
Crayola cattle



When your at a sale and there is one of every color in the bunch. The buyer then proceeds to sort them, usually buying at a reduced price.
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