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| 2005 185.b, I have power to my dash and when I turn the key on the fan in the cab turns, exterior lights turn on, dash is fully lit. when I sit down in the seat it makes the little beep like it recognizes someone is sitting in the seat. it wont even try to turn over tho. all fuses are ok in the cab, didn't crawl into the engine and look at those fuses tho. I tried pulling apart the weatherpack connectors for the seat safety switches and everything looks good there. seatbelt switch bad? thoughts? |
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| Seat belt switch bad, I'd bet on it. I've got one of the very last L170's made, bought new 3 years ago as a hold over machine, and I've got the same problem. When it happens, I can usually get it on the third or fourth click, so try taking seat belt off and on a bunch of times and it might come out of it. Mine goes in streaks, about the time I'm fed up enough to replace it, it doesn't do it for a while. It's like $180 because NH makes you buy the switch, the latch, and belt webbing. |
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Maryland | Occasionally I have to plug the seatbelt back in a few times to get it to start. That is where I would start. |
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| If you flip the run/service switch to service, does it turn over? If not, it's not necessarily the seat belt switch.
And you don't have to buy the whole expensive kit from New Holland. Take the female side of the seat belt off and split the case by prying it apart. Radio Shack has a switch that matches the two tabs in that assembly. Only thing you have to do is cut the two wires and solder them on the RS switch, then bend the 'lever' to match the old switch and POOF, you've saved yourself a couple hundred bucks. I think the RS switch only costs about $3.00. Don't have the number handy right now.
Just wrap the assembly back together tightly with electrical tape. |
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Wi | If it starts in service position it very well could be the seat belt switch Can you hear anything clicking? Does the dash go blank when you try to crank it? The positive battery cables loved going bad on our LS170s. Always kept extras around because they never made it long. Usually they would cause the display and lights to go off when you tried to crank but not always. We went through a lot of starters too, have you tried arching it to make sure it is good? Otherwise the key switches themselves sometimes went bad as did the interlocks, there are a couple other relays on the back of the cab IIRC for starting also. This is from my knowledge of the LS170s which can be different from your 185.b
Edited by durallymax 1/26/2014 18:28
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| On my lx485, it would only start on service. Replaced the seat belt switch and all is good. |
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| i have tried it with the service switch on and off and it doesn't turn over and i cant hear any clicking but can hear the glow plugs running, while i turn the key the lights on the dash to not dim or go blank. seems to have good power? |
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near dyersville iowa | Im not telling you to do this..but I have seen a toggle switch wired in place of the seat belt switch. sit down..put your seat belt on and flip the switch..way cheaper than the new holland fix..just dont forget to put the seat belt on.. |
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| Sounds like it could be the relay on the back side of the cab in the engine compartment. For the heck of it, have someone sit in the seat and turn the key on, while you hold a voltmeter on the relay. When my relay went bad, I burned up the glow plugs, because it was sticking and too much voltage for too long a period of time kills glow plugs. I since mounted a voltage guage perminant in the cab so when you turn the key on and wait for the countdown, at the end of the countdown, you should here a "click" and the voltage should drop to zero.
Also you could check the seat belt plug by unhooking the wire off the female side and make up a jumper to connect the two wires together.
Also make jumper wires for the two switches under the seat. Might as well eliminate them while your in the mood just to make double sure that's not your problem. |
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| I'll go to Radio Shack and buy the switch, mail it to him, at my cost before I'd see someone take that chance on themselves. I drove mine around one time because I had to without a seat belt on, and you want to talk about an eary feeling. Just didn't feel right at all. |
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| the harness that goes under the seat has a rubber plug, can i cut the side after the plug and somehow make a relay that would cancel out the seat belt and the seat safety switch? |
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| If the display is lighting up when you plunk your ass in the seat and the pedals free when you turn the key on... then the seat belt switch is fine.
The other key here is that it won't crank with the start/run switch flipped to service mode. If it was the belt micro, it should have started. What I would do is remove the cover from the engine fuse panel and check all of the fuses in there. If those are all good remove the cover from the relays to the left of the fuse box. IIRC, the one closest to the engine is the start relay... but I'm not 100% on that... and I'm not sure that those two are consistently placed in the same sequence. At any rate... the other is for the glow plugs. I'd just remove the cover and then use a pair of needle nose pliers to short the two studs on the relay and see if it cranks. Needless to say... make sure the brake is set and the travel sticks are neutralised.
That will likely make it fire. If it doesn't, check the signal wire to the starter and the primary battery connections. Bad starter or switch is most likely at that point.
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Wi | coyotehunter - 1/26/2014 16:52 the harness that goes under the seat has a rubber plug, can i cut the side after the plug and somehow make a relay that would cancel out the seat belt and the seat safety switch?
If it is not starting in service position you can forget about the seat belt switch. Service position bypasses the safety interlock.
Don't bypass the seat belt switch, theres no need to and until you are saved by the seat belt maybe you wont appreciate it as much. I fell out of one when on of our larger operators got tired of trying to get the belt around himself so he just vise gripped it, I wasn't very old are big at that time and it caught me but after my head knocked the boom already.
hayward - 1/26/2014 16:22 On my lx485, it would only start on service. Replaced the seat belt switch and all is good.
I was backwards in my post, meant if it starts in Service it is probably the switch. If it still doesnt its something else. |
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| coyotehunter - 1/27/2014 16:27
i have tried it with the service switch on and off and it doesn't turn over and i cant hear any clicking but can hear the glow plugs running, while i turn the key the lights on the dash to not dim or go blank. seems to have good power?
If your skid loader doesn't start with the switch in the "service" position, your problem is in the general starting system and not with the interlock safety system (seat switch, seat belt) Start relay, starter/starter solenoid (my guess), cables, battery, ect.
Just for refrence....the interlock system is pretty easy to diagnose.
1, If you sit in the seat and the dash lights up.....the seat switch is working. (without touching the key)
2, If you buckle the seat belt and the seatbelt light on the dash goes out, the seat belt switch is working.
Most common problems on interlock problems are: Seat belt latch, seat wire harness (especially on machines with suspension seats), fuse, seat switches, interlock relay, and instrument panel. |
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