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Southeast Iowa | I'm looking to trade my 5088 in for either a Ford TW-20 or a John Deere 4640 with the 8 speed powershift. Could I get some opinions about the two of those tractors and some possible problems they may have? |
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southern ontario | more power with 4640 both good tractors |
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SW IA | Need to keep a good additive in the Ford radiator they do have some problems with cavitation. Ford will have 540/1000 pto I am not sure about Deere. |
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near dyersville iowa | disclaimer. My experience is with a 4240 and a ford 7710. Similar to what you have..but not quite..Deere is nicer to run on the road. Deere has a 466 where the ford has a 401. So deere will have more low end power and will pull down farther before you have to shift.. As far as the cabs..besides the post in front of the deere..everything seems to be about even..but i think a little louder in the ford. The ford will probably be a little better on fuel. Non synchro transmission is ok once you learn how it works, but takes a little more pre planning on the road. Make sure the parking brake works on the ford..its a split to fix. All i can think of for now. |
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WC Illinois/SE Iowa | I just got my first tractor, a TW-25 fwd. I haven't had it long, so haven't put it thru my paces yet. Did put a Westendorf loader on it and have moved some snow and I like it so far. Mine was at the service interval for the injectors according to the book and they did need it. I would recommend following the service intervals if the rest holds true like my injectors did.
My neighbor has a 4640 that is currently the planting tractor and gets hooked to the grain cart in the fall. I help him a lot so I get to drive it a lot. It is a quad shift, which is kinda nice on the cart. We are going to try my TW on the cart this fall because of the fwd. The 4640 tends to get pushed by even a partial load on the cart when trying to turn. So we will see. My concern is by looking at the speed to gear chart in the TW, we might be in between the high/low gears so it might not be as convenient. |
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Central Minnesota | This may be a dumb question, but why would you be trading other than more power? Those 88 series IH's are a heck of a tractor as long as they have all the updates, and are kept up. |
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Southeast Iowa | It is a great tractor. But we need a different tractor cause it's starting to have some problems electrically and we don't have time to start fixing all that. We had a 69 4020 that we had electrical problems with and it just never ended so we don't want to go through that again. We have a custom hay harvesting operation and we need a good tractor. We have a 1981 4240 that we bale with but we need another tractor to run our other baler and the 15ft mower conditioner. The 4640 is a good tractor but the 8 speed powershift I hear is a pain and I want some information about the Ford. I just need to know if it would be good to bale and mow with. |
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Leeds, North Dakota | http://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/000/2/2/228-ford-tw-20.htm... http://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/000/0/9/97-john-deere-4640... my vote would be the JD better hydraulics, JD brings good money, Scott.
Edited by scott nelsen 1/13/2014 08:17
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| If the condition of the two tractors are equal and money allows I would go with he Deere. My dad has 3 fords (4600, TW10 and TW20) right now and after running those and running Deeres the Deere is quieter, is better on fuel, starts better, is easier to get parts for, parts are cheaper, the hydraulics are better visibility is better, seat is better. Both have the same wide hood problem so that's a down for both. Power shift will be nicer to hay with as long as a speed matches what ya need. The 4640 won't have a 540 pto which the ford will if that is a consideration.
Both will do a good job of turning diesel into noise and smoke, I would rather run the deere personally after using both in row crop use. Also if anyone wants to argue the fuel usage a few weeks back I posted a graph of fuel useage vs pto horsepower of a TW20 vs 4630. The TW20 uses more than the 4630 and a 4640 is better on fuel than a 4630.
Edited by J,ReinkeFarms 1/13/2014 12:04
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S.E. South Dakota | I my be wrong but a tw 30 more comparable to a 4640? |
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Manila, Ar | 4640 was the best overall tractor I ever owned.......:) |
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Bothwell ont | what kind of condition is the 5088 in ???? |
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Wisconsin | I think you will just be trading problems. |
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Southeast Iowa | mearsy74, The 5088 is in pretty good overall condition. It is repainted to the IH 86 series paint scheme. It has 8700 hours. It shifts alright but reverse grinds real bad and the speed selector is really delayed. We have only had it for a year and I had a 1086 before that and I would go back to the 10 anyday but the 5088 is just not quite right for what we need. We need something with a little bit more power to pull the chisel plow and to hay with. |
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Southeast Iowa | By the way, does anyone know much about the Dual-Power transmission. Is it a good tranny. Does it grind alot when shifting from forward to reverse or to any other gears? |
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| IMO, Dual Power is as bulletproof as anything built in the day. Ford started using Dual Power in the late '60s. Never been around a JD but always figured Dual Power was a similar design to the JD Quad Range.
Got the Dual Power in my 9600 rebuilt along with a new main clutch and some PTO work a couple years ago for $7K at dealer shop. Clutch was the reason to tear into it. Clutch wouldn't release. Started out for town and clutch turned loose completely so ended up hauling the tractor anyway.
The Dual Power is a 4 speed transmission with 2 ranges and a hi-low in each range. Ultimately gives a selection of 16F and 4 reverse gears. Don't know about TW shifters but in the X600 Ford shifting is not bad as long as the linkage is adjusted correctly.
Not sure if I would want DP on a loader tractor now after owning a tractor with shuttle shift. Dual Power is perfectly adequate for tillage and hay operations.
I also think to be fair, a TW30 or TW35 would be more comparable to a 4640. A TW20 or TW25 would compare to a 4440.
Edited by John SD 1/13/2014 17:45
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Northwestern Minnesota | I would look at a 7220 MFD myself I did have a TW20 bought it new in 1980 it was a great tractor had plenty of power |
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53916 | Shifting tge 4spd on the dual power is simple. Just STOP before going into reverse. I drive it like the DMV cdl guy wants yiu to drive a truck. I like the TW/ x700 series shift pattern. Previous poster has to hate Fords. IMO there is no comparison to the SGB. Better visibility, more leg room, and two doors. I do however, hit my head above the rear window. I'm not a short guy. The Deere will give you better hydraulics and grunt. Fords are no slouches though. For haying and tillage a 20 should be able to do what your 5088 did. It WILL do everything a 1086 could do. I've plowed the farm plenty of times with a 135hp Ford and a ten shank chisel (4" twists). |
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Ford TW-20 vs John Deere 4640
