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South Eastern ,ILL | Thinking about purchasing a liquid 28% side dress applicator. Was
wondering what brand (Schaben, Fast & Blue Jet) seem to be the most
popular. What is the best pump set up, hydrolic or ground drive?
Would a JD 4455 (2 WD) pull a 15 knife, ,or do we need a bigger AWD tractor? During the spring our 4455 isn't very busy, it's on 42" rubber
and weighted good /150 hp. Any advice appreciated.
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Amherst WI | I am on my second blu jet at3000. The one that I have now had stainless steel bolts on the coulters, they would shake loose constantly. I ended up taking them all off and using grade 8 bolts that I double nutted and used red loctite.
I don't think I will be buying another blu jet. I was beyond ticked that I had all these issues and because i was screwing around with it I lost a custom job because the corn got too tall.
I'm real tempted to just set up my patriot to do the same thing and not have coulters and knives to wear out.
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Amherst WI | That 4455 will have it's hands full too with that rig if you have any hills. |
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Southern Indiana | I think you'd be fine we have decent hills and we have a neighbor that pulls a Fast 15 row with a 4455. They've been using it for a couple 3 years so they must get by pretty good with it. We use our 4650 on a 13 row Fast 8100. I try to stay around 8-10 mph, it sometimes will pull it if it's wet but when it's dry it moves right along. In this video I am just driving slower then normal so I don't run over a bunch of corn.
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Just south of Fort Wayne, IN | We have an Ag Systems, Fast, and case all are set-up on ground drive running John blue 4955 pumps with coulters with knives right behind them and all three are good. The fast is tougher to get into ground when it is dry and hard. |
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S.W. Minn. | Fast is the best unit out there. Get hydraulic pump with a controller.It is extremely accurate. |
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southern il. | <p>We have 12 row case ih that has been good for us. We now are going 16 and have been looking a schaben and farm king. I would like a fast but to much difference in price between it and the other two.We have been ground drive but I think we will go hydraulic on the new one.</p>
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Arva, Ontario | Allen,
Don't own one, but I've pulled a few different ones rented from neighbors - we normally SD with NH3...
If I was to purchase one today, It would be a FAST. It would be equipped with a hydraulic centrifugal through a 3 boom shutoff. Reason 1 for this is if the centrifugal dies, they are relatively cheap to replace - ground-drives are idiot proof for a rental fleet, but are spendy to buy initially and have more moving parts. Reason 2 is that if the controls are run through a Raven (or similar), rate changes can be made from the seat. You may also wish to eventually do some variable rate, or replicated N rate strips in the field (simple as rate 1, rate 2 toggle). Reason 3, is that with 3 boom shutoffs, you can quickly deal with pointrows and part machine widths either manually or with section control.
My coulter selection would be with knives on the back of the coulters. Get the product in the ground, not "point and shoot" - IMO.
Your horse might be a little light for the load depending on topography, but I'd run it with axle duals (as your tongue weight will be significant) and a jag of weights on the nose. It will do a great job, but you might not be running 10 mph uphill with a load on... You can still cover a lot of ground at 6mph x 40' wide.
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| Progressive side dress applicators look pretty good . Built by Kongskilde in Hudson Il.
http://www.kongskilde.com/Agriculture/Soil/Fertilising%20technique |
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Northeast Illinois | Seems Fast is pretty popular around here probably because Gilman Il. isn't too far away. We opted for the ground drive on ours and are pleased with it. Easily pulled with a 7930 and I think a 4450 would handle it well. --- Greg
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North central Iowa | Have owned a Blu-jet, traded it after one year for a FAST. Fast much heavier built. and Hydraulic pump with controller most accurate.
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SE MN | We have a FAST and really like it. It is built heavy and haven't had any problems. We have the hydraulic pump with a Raven controller. We went with 17 coulters because that is the way the dealer in this area specs them out. The outside coulter has a smaller nozzel and applies a 1/2 rate and when you turn it runs in between the same rows on the way back. We used to side dress with the cultivator but had a hard time getting through everything because the corn needed to be taller and we couldn't drive very fast. Now we can run 8-10 mph and get a lot done. |
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Chebanse, IL..... | 1000 Moline We have a 16r, 1600 gal FAST. It's fine. 24r might be a consideration also. JD is now selling the FAST sprayer w/the JD logo on it. Some probably consider this typical JD stealing, but I think FAST knows about it. In past yrs we've had liquid applicators w/JB ground drive pumps. They they seem like a simpler idea, they're mechanically much more complex than any of the hydraulic pumps coupled with modern flow control stuff, like Ravens. The ground drive pumps are also heavy & expensive. And, there's no free lunch....if you ever sidedress in the mud, you find how bad the ground drive pump drags, because it will quit turning, or slow up. FAST packages the applicator w/Ravens, though they'll sell you the ground drive if you insist. I'm 20 mis N of FAST in Gilman. Every 4 or 5 yrs they re-design the bar/tank system, but I don't think there's any changes in the 2014 bar. I believe they have their own branded coulters as an option now. I've personally thought the Clymer coulters were a little weak. They need more spring on them, which would then mean they'd need a bigger shank & bolts..... I don't think you'll have any trouble pulling it, though if you get a 1600 gal one, it can be heavy if it's soft in the field. Anyway, the FAST seems popular up here. Not sure what that's worth, but apparently JD thought it was OK idea. Also, I'd never-ever-ever go back to a ground drive pump....here. 
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Missouri | Is it common to try to side dress that close to the row? Maybe your running auto steer so there's no much guess work. |
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West Central IA | Ron, are you sidedressing nh3 in the same field as it appears in the pic? |
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ne il | Fast is a nice unit. Clymer coulters little weak. Had too tighten all rows to the max for notill. Wings could use a little weight for notill (16 row) they weren't going in as deep as center section. You will need 4 remotes If you have hyd. drive. The Ace hyd pump is only rated for 8 gal min. Don't go over you will blow the seals out. Maybe they put a restriction in the line on the new ones. Stock up on parts if needed seems like fast(gilman,IL) Holds to banker hours in season. |
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WC Indiana | I went to the Indianapolis farm show looking at applicators. Ended up buying a spray king. They had a double frame, powder coated and quite a bit cheaper than Fast. Less than $30,000 for 15 knife. I went with hydraulic control since I have Ag Leader screens in all my tractors and love them for control. I think they come standard with a microtrak controller. Here's there website. http://www.tristatefertilizerequipment.com/sprayking-applicators.ht...
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Owens Cross Roads, AL | I have a Dalton 16 row with coulter and knife. Mine has a 1000 gal tank and hyd pump with 440 controller. I pull it with a 2wd 7110 with no problems, most of my ground is no till so traction hasn't been a problem. My ground is flat with no hills, don't how it would do with hills. Wilson |
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N.C. Iowa | We have a Fast 8116 1600 gallon 15 coulter unit with raven controls and hyd pump, and love the setup. Have used other model fasts, dmi, and progressive with a ground pump and like the hyd pump setup a lot better. Far more accurate and don't have to go find the chain when it flys off the applicator. A 4455 would pull this easy in the flat and would ride nicer with duals in the hills. Pulled our with an 8100 mfwd and 4450 Mfwd some with no problems. Neigbor rented it and had it on a 90 horse CaseIH tractor, didn't fill the tank full but it worked.
This is what ours looks like.
http://www.tractorhouse.com/listingsdetail/detail.aspx?OHID=7916015 |
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North central Iowa | Usually it will run down the middles, just happened to be to one side a little when I stopped to check things over. You are very perceptive. |
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belding, MI | We just ordered a new bluejet 11 knife with a 1000 gal tank to replace the old wore out one. We pull it with a 2wd 4050 unless it is a Swamp like last year then the 7810 goes on it. I would think you would be able to pull it without any problems |
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EC IL | +1 FAST w/hyd pump |
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N.C. Iowa | Did you make them shields that look like they would prevent slabs of dirt from rolling over corn? Any closer pictures of them? |
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Chebanse, IL..... | Yes, we often end up in the same field. We try & use the liquid on the end rows & point rows, or very small fields. 
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NW ILLINOIS | We are switching over to 32% this comming year. Just a quick question about
rows on hills and along cricks. Does the tractor / applicator run down very much
corn??? We are going to steer with the same equipment as planted running RTX.
Thanks for any hlep!!
olf20 |
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North central Iowa | Home made very simple, when I get time today i'll find my pics of them. |
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USA | Have a 1000 gal Dalton 15 knife 32 applicator and a 15 knife 1500 gal Schaben 32 applicator. Both have hyd pumps with Raven monitor. Wouldn't want a ground drive pump.
Haven't had any issues with the Dalton, but the Schaben is a better built outfit IMO . Dalton, have to take the wings off if want to use on 12 rows, Schaben can run with the wings folded over to do 12.
Pull the Schaben we have with a Deere 8100 MFD. With 1500 gals and the weight of the applicator, will be a lot of weight to drag around behind your 2WD 4455.
Edited by coup 1/5/2014 08:36
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South-central Nebraska | Has anybody mentioned the CaseIH/DMI 2800 NutiPlacr? Maybe it has a different number now but they are pretty popular around here as Brothers Equipment sells them - well known application dealer. I had one when I was all liquid and thought it was as good as any when I looked around. Mine was a 1300 gal 16 row. Pretty good load on a 8410 at 10-12 mph. |
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ne il | Neighbor has a dmi 16 row 800 gal tank he may part with? Great for smaller tractors? |
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NW central IL | is the 40ft schaben setup narrow on the wheels like on the 60ft model? im surprised you couldnt find a agressive fast dealer who wanted to deal after the whole deere partner/takeover agreement...i say takeover, cause deere doent play well with others, its just the first move to get their foot in the door, i think.....
unless they went up to deere style prices after the agreeement. i had a blu-jet 4610 before, and went to a 8224 fast. bought it right before the anoucement of the deere deal, so not sure what their pricing is now, but if you look at deeres list vs the fast i bought, theres quite a difference for the same machine, maybe deere is discounting them more..?
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NW central IL | when running along creeks etc. i let the frt wheels run over corn in sharp turns then usually the rest of the unit can stay in the rows....if your running knives, the applicator can really tear corn out, coulter inj it isnt bad. unless the corns tall, the tractor kills only 1/3-1/2 the corn it runs over anyway... |
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USA | What do you mean narrow on the wheels on the 40 ft ? Never looked @ a 60 ft Schaben. Tried to buy a Fast when bought the Dalton 3 years ago, Salesaman for Fast pretty much rubbed me the wrong way from the get go. Called him back after bought the Dalton, to inform him of my decision , his comment was after you run the Dalton, you will be calling me up trying to trade it to me on a Fast, before next year .
I still have the Dalton and never even bothered to call, when bought the Schaben last year. Couldn't see spending an extra $7- $8000 for a Fast over a Schaben. |
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NE SD | I would pay the extra for the FAST. My next one will be a FAST or a 3pt bar with DAWN units. The ShieldAg coulters that Schaben uses are a bad design just like the bars.
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Side Dress Liquid 28% What Brand Applicator?
