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Southern Middle Tennessee | Thinking of updating tractors. Currently we run a White 170 two wheel drive tractor that has served us well. Kind of been wanting a fwd to help reduce us getting stuck during planting and harvesting. We are strictly no-till and plant with a White 16 row planter. May possibly buy some sort of turbo-till at some point. Probably don't need a tractor of this size currently but plan on keeping what ever we buy for a long time so things could possibly change in the near future. I've considered a John Deere 8300-8400 but the prices just seem ridiculous for one that has 8,000 hours on it. Looks like I can get a low houred NH for a decent price. How would the NH compare to the JD? Hydraulics good on them? HOw are the cabs? Any other information is greatly appreciated. There's only a few of them in this area but hear they were really a tough tractor. Thanks!
Edited by blueraid 11/5/2013 12:21
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Mount Vernon, WA | The NH will hang in there with the JD in most respects. It's mainly operator preference. If you're used to an 8000 series JD, I'm sure you won't like it. If you have never driven either, the NH will likely be more than satisfactory.
Turning radius on the NH will be better in the wider tread settings with the SuperSteer axle. Hydraulics will be better on the NH if it has the MegaFlow option. Basically it gives you more flexibility in certain situations.
For about half the money, I think the NH will look pretty good to you. |
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NW Iowa | We bought a 2000 8870 a few yrs ago with 3100 yrs on it for $65k or so. At the time it was between that an 8000 series Deere or an 89xx magnum. This is the first blue tractor we've had and so far after about 1k hours have really enjoyed it. Cab is nice and large pretty quiet. Controls are easy to reach and are not akward. Transmission is pretty stout. Engine is not sleeved so if it needs a rebuild its going to be a bit costly. But they seem to run for quite a few hours before that. Super steer is nice...can turn much shorter. But it takes some care... lots of greese. Seem to be pretty good on fuel. Best power pulling seems to be in the 1800-2000 rpm range...a bit lower and it feels sluggish. Seems to usually have a few more horses than rated. Ours dynod at 250. Neighbor has one with same HP. There's quite a few of them in our neighborhood. I'd really consider owning another. |
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Leeds, North Dakota | Bradley, they are bullet proof, hydralics there is standard and mega flow, go with mega flow, few things to look at, look at valve stack is it all slimy, they are a pita to work on and labor intensive, have all four hydralics flowrated, make sure they are close, flow control cables, below rear cab window can you adjust them, 3 point was a issue try to capture hitch system, if you have a Versatile dealer close by, theres newer upgrades for shifting and 3 point, makes a huge difference, got questions call me, Scott. |
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S.E. South Dakota | Never ran a JD but have a 8870.Have had it three years and put 1000 hours on it.It had 3400 on it when i bought it.Just love it. |
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SW Ontario | iMO you can't go wrong with either. Considering what you are doing with it you will love what ever you buy. |
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| NH cab is quieter, trans is much better than JD. Like said super steer will turn tighter. I would say it's a no brainer. |
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Southcentral WI | You're going to enjoy either tractor. Coming from the White they both will be much nicer, not to knock the White. MegaFlow hydraulics were a nice PFC 'closed' system that will run hydraulic motors very well, and the Funk powershift was very reliable. Like others said both tractors are excellent, NH's sold cheaper new and resale is what it is on the two. FOr the money the NH is a great value and the JD is a JD, excellent powerplants, transmissions very similar to each other, hydraulics very reliable. I'd say the cab is a bit nicer on an 8000 series Deere, lights are very good on both. Deere had better road speed however. Super Steer is a lot of maintenance but if taken care of it's excellent. Love both tractors, think they're both excellent choices. |
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SW Ontario | Agronomydave hit the nail on the head...good post.
It is anything but a no brainer...both tractors are very solid. |
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Northern CA | There are lots of them around here. They are very solid. I own a 8970. I haven't had to touch my engine. I know of a guy about 100 miles from me that did. It wasn't too bad. Now, NH offers a reman exchange. I believe JD bought Funk after the Genesis series came out because it was a better transmission. Also, a Versatile 2160, 2180, or 2210 is the same tractor, but red. |
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SW Ontario | I have pretty sure deere owned funk long before the genesis. I believe the 15 speed deere tranny in the 50 series and up was funk. |
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Central Iowa | Had a 8770 with super steer and mega flow and loved it. Could run a 24 row planter around the clock while the neighbors 8000 series deere couldn't because it didn't have the hyd. Flow like the NH. Traded in the NH for a CH55 cat. Same transmission and cab and everything just on tracks. Really like it also .
Edited by agboy190xt 11/5/2013 17:55
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| It's my 4th season with an 8770 and I wouldn't give it up for anything. Outside of minor issues with the hydraulic remotes, it's be as reliable as they come. |
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EC IA | We have a 8970, use it for planting and strip-tilling. It has the standard hydraulics and is still enough running a 16r strip-till bar with dry box. Just replaced the engine that let go this spring during planting- only $20k to get a reman put back in.. Just had the hyd pump rebuilt, 6 new tires on it.... we'll be keeping it for a looonng time. But its a nice tractor to run. Bought a 8670 as a utility, hay & planting tractor this year cuz they are good tractors. Transmissions are the smoothest of any brand in that era. |
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Ludington/Manistee MI area | 8870 is a great short persons tractor. If your over 6ft in order to not have your knees way above your hips your head is hitting the top of the cab. The guy I farm with is shorter and he does great with it at 6ft 2 if I much more than move it from inside of the polebarn to the outside my lower back goes out. If you are going from a simpler tractor be prepare to get buried in error codes and electro gremlins. I'm glad he bought it that permantantly removes removes any desire for me to buy one or anything similar. |
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| kinzepower - 11/6/2013 16:48
I have pretty sure deere owned funk long before the genesis. I believe the 15 speed deere tranny in the 50 series and up was funk.
John Deere bought Funk in 1989....the Gensis tractor came out in 1993. NH used a Funk built transmission in the 8030 series tractor as well.
It was not a Funk engineered transmission, only built by Funk for NH. |
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indiana | IMO, there is no comparison between the two tractors. I did run a neighbors 8670 one year planting beans. The super steer was something to be desired, reminded me of a 2+2. Hydraulics are levers instead of switches, no command arm, etc. Sure the NH are cheaper to get into, but will also be worth much less in the end. My custom hay guy just sank over 15K into his 8970 this past summer on the engine and hydraulic leaks. I currently run an 8XXX series and has been great. Very tight turning radius, powershift is smooth, command arm hydraulic controls, scv flows and times all within arms reach. Just my .02! |
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SW Ontario | I have a drawer full of some green undies too...but to say that the genesis tractors are like a 2+2...I would suggest you get some sleep to ward off that hangover you are working on.
Nothing wrong with levers...you do know deere has them too...right?
Someone worked very hard on the ergonomics of that tractor...and it showed. Was it as good as the 8000's...maybe close...but it was certainly light years ahead of the 60 series deere's that they were targeting at the time.
Also...as much as this pains me to say...the Genesis will shift smoother than the 8000 will...anyday!!
Edited by kinzepower 11/5/2013 21:10
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ND | Deere has a park in their transmission, the Genesis had a disgusting hand crank-like an old gear drive truck. My question do the newer NH tractors have this same hand crank? Adjusting the Hyd outlets in the JD is in the cab, have not paid attention to NH-so where are they? Deere hyd hoses come out easy with tractor running-remember the Genesis coming out rough & tough-is this the same in NH yet? |
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Stanley, Manitoba, Canada | I'm 6' 5" and have no issues with the cab of our 8770 Genesis.
Edited by epw 11/5/2013 23:11
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New Holland 8870-8970 compared to JD 8300-8400
