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Baby Robin
Posted 9/27/2013 18:37 (#3352012)
Subject: Rumensin + Aureo/CTC crumbles - is this extra label usage and against the law?


Fontanelle, IA
Question for Garvo, Mark, and other vets/animal nutrition experts.....

I'm getting this 2nd hand from a few neighbors that attended an Iowa Beef Quality Assurance meeting. Basically, we are NOT allowed to feed Rumensin containing feed(or other ionophore such as Bovatec) with Aureo crumbles/CTC crumbles at any time to cattle. They are saying that this is EXTRA label use and against the law? Is this true? If so, why am I just hearing about it now?

Questions:
1. What was happening to cattle that were fed Rumensin + CTC crumbles? Ulcers? Condemned livers? Bad kidneys?
2. If I want to start a 5 day treatment for pneumonia in my weaned calves, how many days ahead would I have to pull my Rumensin supplement pellet from the diet? 3 days? 4 days?
3. Is this Rumensin + CTC feeding ban only or does the ban also pertain to giving any injectable CTC antibiotic shot that I might have to use to cure footrot later?

If you're a feedlot vet, consulting nutritionist, or feed company person that is up-to-date with these "developments", you could also send me an email too. My profile should have it listed.

Thanks for any input and clarification into this!
Bart
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CanadianCowMan
Posted 9/27/2013 19:23 (#3352075 - in reply to #3352012)
Subject: RE: Rumensin + Aureo/CTC crumbles - is this extra label usage and against the law?


Chilliwack BC Canada
Is it a ban or just a withdrawl period for x # of days before slaughter? We have Bovatec in our calf grain on the dairy but are not allowed to feed it to lactating dairy cattle where milk is going for human consumption.
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Howdyjabo
Posted 9/27/2013 19:37 (#3352104 - in reply to #3352075)
Subject: Re: Rumensin + Aureo/CTC crumbles - is this extra label usage and against the law?


NC
http://events.animalhealthinternational.com/manufactures/Zoetis/bov...
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Baby Robin
Posted 9/27/2013 19:46 (#3352127 - in reply to #3352104)
Subject: Re: Bovatec + CTC flyer


Fontanelle, IA
Thanks, Karen, for that flyer!

Do you know why Rumensin and CTC were not approved to be fed together?

It looks as though I'll have to flush the rumen a few days w/ no ionophore supplement before I can start feeding Bovatec supplement! How long should the "flush" period be?

Thanks again,
Bart
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daltongeb
Posted 9/27/2013 20:04 (#3352165 - in reply to #3352012)
Subject: Re: Rumensin + Aureo/CTC crumbles - is this extra label usage and against the law?


Glad Valley SD
Heres a good flyer on drug combinations I found.
http://www.uaex.edu/Other_Areas/publications/pdf/FSA-3012.pdf
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JimmyR52
Posted 9/27/2013 20:40 (#3352258 - in reply to #3352012)
Subject: Re: Rumensin + Aureo/CTC crumbles - is this extra label usage and against the law?


Mooresville North Carolina
It is not an approved drug combination. But it can be feed with a Vet prescription. You need a Feed Additive Compendium to see what the prescription needs to include. I think you needs the rates and a specific time frame of treatment and what is being treated.
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IL cow man
Posted 9/28/2013 06:07 (#3352844 - in reply to #3352012)
Subject: Label are expensive


Buffalo IL
Rumensin and Tylan are labeled to be fed together to prevent liver abscesses. They are both Elanco products. Getting any label you have to go thru FDA and spend big money for research and prove a definite benefit and AU/,CTC companies did not see the cost benefit of doing the labeling.
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2hcattle
Posted 9/28/2013 06:33 (#3352868 - in reply to #3352844)
Subject: Re: Rumensin + Aureo/CTC crumbles - is this extra label usage and against the law?


Southwest OK
Extra label is different than off label. Extra label simply means you needs a vet to wright a script for it. Off label would be illegal to use at all.
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mobeefguy
Posted 9/28/2013 22:34 (#3354448 - in reply to #3352868)
Subject: Re: Rumensin + Aureo/CTC crumbles - is this extra label usage and against the law?



SwMo on Ks line
I've used Bovatec/Auero which is legal combination. But Bovatec/Generic CTC is not,company didn't do the research on generic just the real stuff. I know picky but so is feed inspector!
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