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NC SD | any thoughts of agco combines? wanting to update my old 1680 and am thinking about going to agco, any weaknesses to look out for? would a r62 or r72 be close to same size as 1680? Pretty sure they have a 8.3 cummins so that should be reliable, how about rest of machine? Much different to work on than an older axial flow? thanks for any help. so concaves need to be changed for small grain and row crops (pretty sure they do)? thanks for any info and help.
Edited by acwd45 8/25/2013 22:28
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SE North Dakota | R62 would be about the same capacity of a 1680 maybe a little better in tougher conditions. 72 will walk away from it. Pretty simple to switch from wheat to soybeans and corn. Do not need to change concaves on it. Rotor removal can be done in about 25min. Heavier final drives than a 1680, rotor drive belt will last forever compared to the rotor drive on a 1680. A/C is a little to be desired in the cab as not alot of air flow due to poor engineering but its liveable. We have run gleaners for years and also ran a 1460 along R-62s and there wasnt any comparison. good luck |
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Strathcona, mn | I have threshed flax, grass seed, oil and confection flowers, soybeans, corn, wheat, barley, oats, and canola with out ever changing concaves in a gleaner. They are very versatile and simple to adjust btw crops. R72 will have either twin turbo deutz, l10, or m11. I have had one with a deutz an presently have one with a m11. The m11 just plain out pulls. We were running in 70-75 bushel wheat at 20% moisture and running 5.5mph with a 30' head. Look at a gleaner with your eyes open, they just plain work. Are they the biggest combine in the world, no but they so pretty darn good for their size. |
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S.C. Minn | I would try to get a 1996 or newer machine. If my memory serves me right they did a lot of changes in 1996 which made them a much better machine . If you buy a 2 series combine you will get a cab with better visibility than they offer today
Edited by RCT 8/25/2013 23:25
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Tabor MN aka God's Country | Have run my 1680 with an N7 and an R72, and I wouldnt say that they will "walk away" from a 1680 but definatly run with it. At least in wheat. 1680 is hard to beat for ease of maintenence and simplicity and they just last. Both Gleaners that I have ran with couldnt produce as nice a sample as my 1680 and these guys have had gleaners forever, I would think they know how to set em. I would look at a 2388, same as a 1680 but more power and a little heavier duty and much nicer cab. |
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SE North Dakota | Titan brought out a 2388 one year for us to demo with a 30ft head and we were still running a 1998 R62 and a 1998 R72 and the 2388 would run right with the R62 but when it got tough out the 62 would have the edge. I was running the 72 and could walk away from the 2388 all day long so yeah it will walk away from a 1680 hands down. This was in 65bu wheat. |
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Strathcona, mn | I've been around red machines and we have seen the same thing as silverluv. I also have not seen a red machine put out as clean of a sample as a gleaner. Not to say it can't happen but I haven't seen it. I'm sure the red ones are fine but I will tell you that they are not simpler than a gleaner. I've been told I should be a gleaner sales guy after I walk someone around a gleaner and point out all of the features that the engineers have out into them to make them simple and easy to maintain it would take a blind person not to be able to see the simplicity of the machine. |
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cropsey, il 61731 | The 1680 was a class 6, but as combines grow it seems the class specs grow as well. For a long time around here an R72 was the only choice for a class 7 machine and it was bought by big custom farming outfits because they wanted to run 12 row heads. The case 1680 through 2388 will all have an 8.3L cummins so a R72 with a 10L or 11L cummins is a pretty big step up in at least torque.
That said, I started with IH because that what was in the shed in 93 when my FIL died. For a guy just starting out it was the easy way - simple settings with parts and advice 14 mi away. We went from a 1440, 1660 then a later model 1680 and finally a pretty nice 2188. We started putting out 13 acres of winter wheat to have an early manure application and with a 25' head in 70 bu wheat I ran around 3 mph. However, it was the first time ever to combine wheat and I'm certain I could have done a little better with some experience (sample looked good though). It's a really nice machine in corn (8 row head) and pretty much all we need.
The R72 would be a big change in 'culture' as far as various drives, belts, unloading and even operation (what noise mean bad things are about to happen if I don't slow down). It seems like gleaner typically had a lower price around here, but had a so so dealer for enough years that guys moved away from silver (they didn't even stock oil filters at times for current models). If capacity is what you need more of (a well tuned 16 will hang pretty close to a 21/23), the R72 would be the choice as long as you were ready to make the culture shift. Btw our 2188 with under 3000 eng hrs was $59K 2 years ago and they seem to be dropping about $5K/year. I know there were improvements in the 2388 and sometimes there is only a little price difference, however, I have not had any issues with ours. |
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Tennessee | For the money you can buy a gleaner a little newer with a lot less hours. IMHO there is a better selection of well maintained Gleaners. You don't have to sift through the Delta junk that's been jockeyed out of Sikeston.
We switched from a 1640 to a R62 last Fall. I agree that you would have to be a blind man to say a Case is a simpler machine. The Gleaner is a hog in corn. The guy who said an R62 is about the same size as a 1680 probably hasn't seen a R62 with a CDF rotor. All I can say to the red boys is get out of the way. You'll also find that the more aggravating things on the Case like the shaker system are built much heavier on the Gleaner. I do seem to have slightly more bearing issues with the Gleaner. Right now I never have plans to own a red one again. Running the R62 has really converted me from a red man to silver. I'd go with the R72 if I were you. Give em something to talk about.
No need to change concaves. You might need to add filler plates depending on conditions.
Edited by zkeele 8/26/2013 07:34
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NW KS/ SC ID | I would say they didnt know how to set them. around here the exact opposite is experienced, axials at work get junk in the bin and we are not happy if we arent under 1 percent dock with the Gleaners.
as far as service, i dont recall having to climb in any "pit" for daily greasing. yes, the CIH axials more simple than TR or a Deere, but simpler than a Gleaner? I wouldnt go that far.
Edited by GM Guy 8/26/2013 10:23
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Cambridge, southwestern Nebraska | Going to a Gleaner would be a good move I doubt you would regret. The early 62s and 72 did not have the Cummins but later ones did. Cummins engines are good. Some late 97s and then in 98 the combines are painted. There were some upgrades to the shoe and some other things in 98. I'm sure either a 62 or 72 will fit your needs just fine. Very easy to maintain and daily service is very minimal. Very easy to change from one crop to another. No need to change anything in the concaves except the depth. |
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cedar rapids, ia. | I have a 2001 R-62 with CDF rotor, a basic out of the box machine except for the rotor, run an 8-36 hugger head, and 8000 series 25' grain table. Cut 14-15 acres of beans an hour, and on the best corn day did 91 acres of 200 bu corn in 6 hrs ( usually work alone, but had 2 carts that day). Bought the machine new, have yet to replace a bearing, put one chopper and one hyro belt, and a staw spreader belt. Never combined small grains, but corn to beans, change heads, feeder house and chopper speed, and concave clearance, use the long tooth chaffer in corn and beans, clean on the ground and in the grain tank. |
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S.E. South Dakota | Do you have a dealer close?I would not buy anything but CaseIH,New Holland or JD.All three have good dealers 20 miles from my farm. |
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North Liberty and South Bend, Indiana | Boy I don't know if the Axials are more simple than a TR combine. Been around both and I'd take a TR over a Axial any day. |
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North Liberty and South Bend, Indiana | Wow, didn't realize an R62 was capable of over 3000 bph, that is quite a bit. |
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south central mn | I have a r 62 with a twin turbo deutz it will do 2000 bushels a hour easy with a 6 row head very easy to set and change crops. |
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cedar rapids, ia. | 3000 bu is right to the clean grain elevator limit. |
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North Liberty and South Bend, Indiana | I guess that is what surprises me. Seeing as an R62 isn't the largest I am a bit surprised it was able to move that much grain. Easily has the seperation capacity I assume. |
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Tabor MN aka God's Country | FWIW I have two neighbors that always combine together, One has an R 62 and one has a 9600 And have watched them many times and the R62 can not run with the 9600 in wheat and i have ran with many 9600's with my 1680 and they are either even steven or just a little more with the 96's depending on how they are setup. Find it hard to believe that a 2388 cant run with an r62, anybody checking whats on the ground? Gleaners have earned the name "siver seeder" around here for a reason. Plenty of green behind them after the chisel plow. |
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NW KS/ SC ID | you sir have been mis informed. it is silver saver, not silver seeder. :) if anything Gleaner earns the reputation of lowest loss in the industry. now the "long green line", need we talk about that? :)
it isnt the combines fault the owner cant set it or repair it. bad accelerator lugs hurt performance and increase loss greatly.
Edited by GM Guy 8/27/2013 23:14
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cedar rapids, ia. | Put a 12 row cornhead on the 2388 and put it in the field with a 62, then find your weights and cylinder lift package, to do what a 62 will do out of the box. Funny thing abot those green strips, few years back mature corn with lots of green leaves, red and green machines were yellow behind them silver ones weren't. |
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Tabor MN aka God's Country | Ya, I guess its only the gleaners that matter how you set em. The red and green ones just cant save grain no matter what you do. What was i thinkin? Thats the same reason hardly no one runs case and deere and almost everyone is running gleaner. |
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cedar rapids, ia. | Just like you make it sound like silver is the only one that looses grain. How long did it take Case IH to come with a 12 row head? Wonder why, there was a market. Most people shy from Gleaner because of lack of dealers, they never look at the machine, funny how Gleaner can get so much capacity out of a small size machine, I know a 62 won't keep up to a 9600 or 1680, I know a 62 with equal power will run with a 7120 called R-72, and a S-67 or 77 will plaain put a whipping on a R-72. |
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Southern Middle Tennessee | case94 - 8/27/2013 10:11
Ya, I guess its only the gleaners that matter how you set em. The red and green ones just cant save grain no matter what you do. What was i thinkin? Thats the same reason hardly no one runs case and deere and almost everyone is running gleaner.
Please look at case94's signature. This explains his reasoning... |
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Tennessee | He must care a little. He keeps trying to get people to agree with him. Maybe he should change it to, "I do give a d... what other people think." |
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N.W. Ohio | sounds like this getting to be a color war. People have their own issues/ideas/feeling towards every combine. perosonally theres been nothing on our farm but Gleaners for combine. And around my area we have all 3 dealers very close.
We found gleaners to be more affordable and we can work on them very easy for us. I would love to own a R-72 that motor sound is like no other. I can hear one of them and know exactly what it is without seeing it.
Some of it is the combine operator. Hell I know a R-62 that was getting beat by 2 N6's because he was only going 2 mph and they were doing 3-4. Was it the machine. No it was the level of comfort for the operator so by watching along the road some of the assumptions about what machine can hog more is different.
I will say though recently I been seeing 2388's cheaper than the Gleaners. Sometimes it comes down to whats the better deal as well. Just more case dealers and john deere dealers out there which makes them more popular. |
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south central WI | We run a r62, neighbor has a 2388. Both have 8 row harvestec heads. We run the same speed basically. I would think those 2 compare closely to each other. Once we were across the fence from each other. Each lap we were in about the same spot. Both can have huge or minimal losses, it depends on the conditions and the operator.
I'm watching ours now. Chopping head, 8 row, doing about 3 mph in corn. The corn is around 40%+ so it ttakes a little more power at that moisture. |
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agco r72 or 62
