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Ford&Deere
Posted 8/1/2013 21:32 (#3242778)
Subject: 4430 AC charging


Keymar, Maryland
Ok so I get the general concept of air conditioning, but could someone run me through this? I just put a new compressor on this tractor along with the dryer. This tractor has the r-12 fittings but was switched to r-134 previously.

Do I screw the valves on the lines at the compressor all the way up? How many pounds? What should my vent temp be?
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pbutler
Posted 8/1/2013 21:33 (#3242783 - in reply to #3242778)
Subject: RE: 4430 AC charging



Macon, IL
Not sure what you mean by screw them all the way up?

Temp should be about 30 degrees below ambient temp if all is working well.
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dieseldoc
Posted 8/1/2013 21:35 (#3242795 - in reply to #3242778)
Subject: RE: 4430 AC charging


Iowa
No offense but you really don't sound like you know much about it. Hire someone that knows what they are doing and save yourself some money and headaches.
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Ford&Deere
Posted 8/1/2013 21:40 (#3242814 - in reply to #3242795)
Subject: Re: 4430 AC charging


Keymar, Maryland
No, sorry but I'm not going to keep being one of those guys. I'm trying to learn.
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Ford&Deere
Posted 8/1/2013 21:42 (#3242819 - in reply to #3242783)
Subject: Re: 4430 AC charging


Keymar, Maryland
There's a valve on the high and low side. Right at the comp. do they need to be screwed all the way in, mid seated, etc.?

And I mean temp. Of the air coming out the vents in the tractor
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redgreenandrust
Posted 8/1/2013 21:47 (#3242844 - in reply to #3242814)
Subject: Re: 4430 AC charging


thumb of michigan
Do you mean fittings? If so, yes screw them down. 4430 should not have valves on it like an old York compressor has.
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dieseldoc
Posted 8/1/2013 21:48 (#3242850 - in reply to #3242814)
Subject: Re: 4430 AC charging


Iowa
Well that's fine too. But I have seen to many guys mess up expensive parts trying to learn. Hate to see that happen. Could you get someone to show you the first time so then you would know how the system works and proper way to service it.
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redgreenandrust
Posted 8/1/2013 21:48 (#3242851 - in reply to #3242814)
Subject: Re: 4430 AC charging


thumb of michigan
Do you mean fittings? If so, yes screw them down. 4430 should not have valves on it like an old York compressor has. You will need to vacuum it out also before charging it and also make sure compressor has oil in it.
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Ford&Deere
Posted 8/1/2013 21:57 (#3242875 - in reply to #3242851)
Subject: Re: 4430 AC charging


Keymar, Maryland
I put 4 ounces in the comp. and 4 in the dryer. Then had the vac on it for an hour and shut the vac off and shut the valves on the gauges. Let it sit probably 2 hours and it had not leaked off.
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JDGnut
Posted 8/1/2013 22:25 (#3242973 - in reply to #3242778)
Subject: Re: 4430 AC charging


Waxahachie, TX
I usually try to replace those old line with the later style and get rid of those fittings... You need them in the middle to charge.. This open to all three places.. The compressor, the line and the service port.. They are like the old York valves... Half the time they are stuck..
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JDTECH
Posted 8/1/2013 22:37 (#3243011 - in reply to #3242973)
Subject: ^^^^Or they leak^^^^^


NEMO

Early model 30 series had that valve manifold at the compressor. Every one I do A/C work on where I have the lines loose from the compressor, that valve goes bye bye and the later style lines go on. I stock the later lines on my service truck mainly just for that purpose. To answer the question about the position of the valves, turning them in will close off the system. Mid way will allow for flow through the manifold while allowing pressure to the service ports. When you remove the gauges, back the valves all the way out to allow for full flow through the manifold and block the pressure from getting to the service valves where there may be a possible leak. Good luck.

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johnypop
Posted 8/1/2013 22:40 (#3243015 - in reply to #3242875)
Subject: Re: 4430 AC charging


ND

Ford&Deere - 8/1/2013 21:57 I put 4 ounces in the comp. and 4 in the dryer. Then had the vac on it for an hour and shut the vac off and shut the valves on the gauges. Let it sit probably 2 hours and it had not leaked off.


Most compressors come with 10 ounces of oil already in them, Deere does. Did you flush the entire system? No warranty if you didn't. Just have to crack the valves a turn.  Good luck. 

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johnypop
Posted 8/1/2013 22:41 (#3243018 - in reply to #3242795)
Subject: RE: 4430 AC charging


ND

dieseldoc - 8/1/2013 21:35 No offense but you really don't sound like you know much about it. Hire someone that knows what they are doing and save yourself some money and headaches.

Costs money to save money in some cases. 

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Ford&Deere
Posted 8/1/2013 22:43 (#3243023 - in reply to #3243015)
Subject: Re: 4430 AC charging


Keymar, Maryland
It's an off brand. Had a sticker on it that said to drain the shipping oil out.
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Ford&Deere
Posted 8/1/2013 22:46 (#3243033 - in reply to #3243011)
Subject: Re: 4430 AC charging


Keymar, Maryland
Thanks! That helps a lot! I was thinking about doing that swap but for now I'm just going to do what I can.
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School Of Hard Knock
Posted 8/1/2013 23:42 (#3243128 - in reply to #3242778)
Subject: Learning and cautions......


just a tish NE of central ND
Heck. I'm just SO happy you are someone what WANTS to learn. Seems now day that a lot of people don't care to learn this kind of stuff anymore. The valves are double seating valves. Meaning they have a seat screwed all the way in. or all the say out. Crack them part way open to service the system. This opens the service ports.. Back them all the way out to close the system from leaking after servicing (to the atmosphere).. You can see them screwing outward/ inward when you turn them. Screw them all the way in to isolate the system from the compressor. That way you can remove the compressor(take bolted plate off the back of compressor) and leave the lines blocked off with those valves..
Never never, never never NEVER hook the refrigeration charging can up to the high side of the service valves or it can and will explode and kill you...... if the can starts getting warm instead of cold you are going to have a he77 of an accident.
Even leaving Freon cans on a car seat with the sun shining in on them can make them explode. I forgot some on the back seat one time and it put a can shaped dent on the roof of a galaxy 500 ford about 3/4ths a inch high right through the headliner and cost me some window repairs...
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krantz
Posted 8/2/2013 00:16 (#3243159 - in reply to #3242795)
Subject: Re: 4430 AC charging


NM
That is what this forum is for. If you are too arrogant to give a little advice to someone wanting to learn keep you comments to your self.
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Hayhauler
Posted 8/2/2013 00:17 (#3243160 - in reply to #3242778)
Subject: Re: 4430 AC charging


Northeast CO
The newer cans have a safety slit in the bottom, apparently I forgot one in my old beater last summer, there was oily stuff all over the cab, and a ruptured can laying on the floor. Oops
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Ford&Deere
Posted 8/2/2013 05:44 (#3243216 - in reply to #3243128)
Subject: Re: 4430 AC charging


Keymar, Maryland
Thanks that helps a lot.
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Herbie56
Posted 8/2/2013 06:29 (#3243245 - in reply to #3242778)
Subject: RE: 4430 AC charging


Coles County, Illinois

Here's a chart for pressure versus ambient temp. http://www.ackits.com/aacf/ptchart.cfm Notice how much the recommended pressure varies for 134a. In my Opinion the biggest problem with conversions is running too high a pressure to compenstate for the fact that 134a doesn't cool as well as R12. The good thing is that Deere somewhat oversized the system to make up for dirt and air leaks so a conversion will work. First thing is to ignore the sight guage. If you fill the system full enough to clear out the bubbles then the system is too full and you'll eventually find out where the weak points are in your system. I try to run as low pressure on the high side to just get the job done and spend my time keeping the evaporator and condensor as clean as possible.So keep the drain lines for the evaporator clear so that it doesn't get mud forming up there. Make blowing out the condensor part of the front axle greasing. Keep the seal between the evaporator and the top plate in good shape to not allow air to by-pass the evaporator.     

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ACobb4020
Posted 8/2/2013 07:24 (#3243316 - in reply to #3242778)
Subject: RE: 4430 AC charging



North Central, NC
http://agtalkplus.com/?q=node/18071

Found this on the AgTalk wiki page. Revamped my 4450 and had never done any ac work before. After reading this and watching a bunch of YouTube videos I decided to tackle it myself. If you nevere try something you will never learn. Sometimes it costs you money but sometimes it works out good.




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Jon Hagen
Posted 8/2/2013 10:14 (#3243614 - in reply to #3243316)
Subject: RE: 4430 AC charging



Hagen Brothers farms,Goodrich ND
ACobb4020 - 8/3/2013 06:24

http://agtalkplus.com/?q=node/18071

Found this on the AgTalk wiki page. Revamped my 4450 and had never done any ac work before. After reading this and watching a bunch of YouTube videos I decided to tackle it myself. If you nevere try something you will never learn. Sometimes it costs you money but sometimes it works out good.





And many times you will easily pay for a harbor freight vac pump , gauge set , how to book and a few tools on the first job you do yourself.
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nosoup4u
Posted 8/2/2013 10:43 (#3243664 - in reply to #3243614)
Subject: RE: 4430 AC charging


Jon Hagen - 8/2/2013 10:14

ACobb4020 - 8/3/2013 06:24

http://agtalkplus.com/?q=node/18071

Found this on the AgTalk wiki page. Revamped my 4450 and had never done any ac work before. After reading this and watching a bunch of YouTube videos I decided to tackle it myself. If you nevere try something you will never learn. Sometimes it costs you money but sometimes it works out good.





And many times you will easily pay for a harbor freight vac pump , gauge set , how to book and a few tools on the first job you do yourself.


Can anyone recommend a good "how to" book on vehicle type air conditioning?
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Jon Hagen
Posted 8/2/2013 13:07 (#3243926 - in reply to #3243664)
Subject: RE: 4430 AC charging



Hagen Brothers farms,Goodrich ND
nosoup4u - 8/3/2013 09:43

Jon Hagen - 8/2/2013 10:14

ACobb4020 - 8/3/2013 06:24

http://agtalkplus.com/?q=node/18071

Found this on the AgTalk wiki page. Revamped my 4450 and had never done any ac work before. After reading this and watching a bunch of YouTube videos I decided to tackle it myself. If you nevere try something you will never learn. Sometimes it costs you money but sometimes it works out good.









And many times you will easily pay for a harbor freight vac pump , gauge set , how to book and a few tools on the first job you do yourself.


Can anyone recommend a good "how to" book on vehicle type air conditioning?







Mine is 10+ years old, so is outdated as to some system specs, but I found it in the how to fix book rack at the local
O Reillies auto parts store


Edited by Jon Hagen 8/2/2013 13:09
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dave7745
Posted 8/2/2013 15:39 (#3244110 - in reply to #3242778)
Subject: Re: 4430 AC charging


Where are you located
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