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Marshal County, Minnesota | I have recently purchased a new to me, 1988 John Deere 8820 Titan II combine and a 2001 JD 930 F flex header. The combine is equipped with the Dial-A-Matic Header height control which is new to me and have not found much info elsewhere on the internet. The header has hydrolic fore-aft reel control. All left/right references are if I was sitting in the cab.
On the Combine what I have on the
Right- 2 hydrolic hoses 1-male, 1 female.(I am %99.99 certain these are for the reel motor)
1 male hose
Left- 1 hydrolic hook up attached to the side of the feeder house
1 9-pin electrical connector with 6 male & 3 female pins
On the header I have on the
Right- 1 male hydrolic connection
2 female hydrolic connections
1 large 3 pin connector located about halfway between the feeder house and the end of the header
Left- 2 female hydrolic connection
1 16-pin connector with all male pins.
So my question is this , what hooks up to what? And do I have to do something to make them all work?
Plus is someone can give me a quick tutorial on how to use the Dial-A-Matic?
Thank You.
Edited by EvanGrand 7/17/2013 21:09
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SW MN | The 2 big hoses are for reel drive, the little hose on left of feeder house is for speed of feeder house. Make sure you slow it down all the way then hook that hose up for reel up and down(left side of head)you will have to make a short hose to adapt little hose on combine to bid fitting on head. You also need a adapter cord from head to combine, JD will have them. Hope it helps |
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Morris, IL | On the combine the male and female are reel and should be hooked together if using machine on corn or something with out reel. The one going to feeder house on self side is reverser or variable speed reverser. When combining corn hook it up to the hose or coupler that comes from under the combine cab and can adjust head speed, it's right below the steering wheel. Not sure if you including that in your list or not. On our 77 their is a 45 and coupler mounted right to cab, you would never see it unless you looked. But anyway for soybeans you will slow the reverser all the way, unhook the hose and hook up the reel lift hose. The 9 pin connector sounds right but i'd have to look at our machine again.
Bean head i don't know much and will be learning before fall. We just got a 1997 922 to replace a 220. The 220 worked perfectly with 7720 setup perfectly. I know we will need to run a few hoses across the feeder house somehow, if the 2001 head is setup for dial a matic you can get an adapter from deere to make it work. Don't know what you do if your head is newer style header height.
Hope this helps somewhat. Now i see the pictures. I don't know what is up with hose with red plug in it. By the way the reel hoses were run across the feeder house looks like that 8820 has been setup to run newer head in the past.
Edited by NEILFarmer 7/17/2013 21:19
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| For the electric you need JD part number AH128923 to adapt from the 9 to 16 pin connectors - available from JD , Headsight, and probably Lankota. You still need the electrical adapter shown in your header-left picture from 31 and 6 pin to 16 pin. The fact that it is there means your head is set up for Dial-a-Matic rather than potentiometers (which is what you need).
I don't see the 3 pin plug you mentioned in the pictures. If it is a WeatherPack tower then it is for a header height potentiometer (which you do not have or need). |
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SW MN | Sorry didn't see all pics you wont need hose adapter. The 2 little couplers one on each side is for the for and aft on reel 8820s don't have this option. You can put splitter on auger swing out to run it if you want. |
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Elizabethtown,KY | Dial A Matic gives you 3 height positions when the head is on the ground cutting beans, 1 is lowest, 2 is a little higher and 3 is the highest. If it is working correctly it will maintain the height while cutting and you can feel it adjusting pretty often.
That head has fore and aft for the reel, a splitter can be put on the unloading auger circuit to allow that to function.
Edited by Red/Green 7/17/2013 21:29
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SWIN | Left side of head, lg female is for reel height, which is the single male hose left side of feeder house. This hose also goes into the female fitting mounted on the feeder house to control the variable speed of the head. Usually, slow down to 500 rpm then unhook to connect to grain platform. The small female is for the fore/aft, which can be added to a 8820. Right side of head you are correct, the large fittings are for the reel drive. Small female is again fore/aft. Your electrical appears to already be adapted, but not certain. |
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Marshal County, Minnesota | Thank you, that answers my questions. I kind of figured there was no control for fore/aft on the 8820 but the rigging of the swing out auger should work good. And it nice to know that there is an adapter to hook the the header height control.
And as for the 3 pin connector I mentioned, I am guessing that is for the lights on the header which is why I didn't bother to post a pic of that.
Thanks everyone for the help. |
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Between Omaha and Des Moines, 7 miles South of I80 | NEILFarmer - 7/17/2013 21:16 On the combine the male and female are reel and should be hooked together if using machine on corn or something with out reel. The one going to feeder house on self side is reverser or variable speed reverser. When combining corn hook it up to the hose or coupler that comes from under the combine cab and can adjust head speed, it's right below the steering wheel. Not sure if you including that in your list or not. On our 77 their is a 45 and coupler mounted right to cab, you would never see it unless you looked. But anyway for soybeans you will slow the reverser all the way, unhook the hose and hook up the reel lift hose. The 9 pin connector sounds right but i'd have to look at our machine again. Bean head i don't know much and will be learning before fall. We just got a 1997 922 to replace a 220. The 220 worked perfectly with 7720 setup perfectly. I know we will need to run a few hoses across the feeder house somehow, if the 2001 head is setup for dial a matic you can get an adapter from deere to make it work. Don't know what you do if your head is newer style header height. Hope this helps somewhat. Now i see the pictures. I don't know what is up with hose with red plug in it. By the way the reel hoses were run across the feeder house looks like that 8820 has been setup to run newer head in the past.
To original poster:
This comment (highlighted) is important. It deals with those two large hyd. line(one with blue tape) going across the feederhouse.
If you don't rehook them TOGETHER for a corn head application, then you overheat the hyd. system. (or even driving around the combine w/o a head on it) It must be able to circulate oil.
Probably would hurt to buy an operator's manual. I know our old 6620 sidehill manual, sure has a lot of good info, in it.
I just thought I would highlight this(what NEILfarmer said), so you know of its importance. |
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SE MN | Before you go to the field, make sure the reel is pulled back all the way in the fore/aft cylinders and I'd put bolts through the arms so it can't slide ahead if your combine is not set up for the hydraulics...they can seep and then one side will move ahead. Then, with the reel back and all the way down, lower the head down onto a 6x6 wood block under the middle of the head...there should be about 1.5" between the sickle and the reel teeth when the cutter bar is flexed all the way up...if it's less, you might cut off the reel fingers and if more you will not be able to sweep in beans as well. Also, rotate the auger so that a retractable finger is right over one of the round bolt heads in the middle of the floor...there should be 5/8" or so clearance...you adjust this on the end of the auger with the 3 nuts and slotted holes...these are good to check every year to make sure they're tight too, if they come loose and the adjustment changes you break all the fingers when they hit the floor.
Personally, I wouldn't worry too much about the fore/aft reel feature. I'd run it a year to see if you really think you need it before adding the hydraulic circuit to your combine. We've had it bolted solid for several years. I can't say I've really missed it. I guess I can't say I've cut many badly leaning beans lately either, but if you do use it be careful not to drop into the ground when you're combining!
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Indiana | One more thing about dial a matic that wasn't mentioned. When dial a matic is turned on, the feeder house and combine have to be engaged first. The platform will drop automatically then. I just wanted to mention that. When I got my first JD combine I didn't do that and thought I had a problem. Make sure and check the wiring harness going through the header down to the black box. Mice like to get in there and chew up the wires. It can cause a lot of problems. |
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| Half price of new if interested....................wait to see reply thanks |
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Morris, IL | As long as separator is off you should be fine. Actually if i'm remember correctly it drives off electric clutch, i know i've had belt jump off electric clutch and reel stopped which tells me their was no pressure. I normally just hook them back together when not used so i don't forget. Also it helps to hook the hoses on head back together (although with new head i don't know how) but if done it will allow reel to move while on head cart. Nice for working on sickle and such.
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Between Omaha and Des Moines, 7 miles South of I80 | Thanks Ty; for the clarification.
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Marshal County, Minnesota | Jd7730 - 7/17/2013 22:05
Before you go to the field, make sure the reel is pulled back all the way in the fore/aft cylinders and I'd put bolts through the arms so it can't slide ahead if your combine is not set up for the hydraulics...they can seep and then one side will move ahead. Then, with the reel back and all the way down, lower the head down onto a 6x6 wood block under the middle of the head...there should be about 1.5" between the sickle and the reel teeth when the cutter bar is flexed all the way up...if it's less, you might cut off the reel fingers and if more you will not be able to sweep in beans as well. Also, rotate the auger so that a retractable finger is right over one of the round bolt heads in the middle of the floor...there should be 5/8" or so clearance...you adjust this on the end of the auger with the 3 nuts and slotted holes...these are good to check every year to make sure they're tight too, if they come loose and the adjustment changes you break all the fingers when they hit the floor.
Personally, I wouldn't worry too much about the fore/aft reel feature. I'd run it a year to see if you really think you need it before adding the hydraulic circuit to your combine. We've had it bolted solid for several years. I can't say I've really missed it. I guess I can't say I've cut many badly leaning beans lately either, but if you do use it be careful not to drop into the ground when you're combining!
Thanks for the advice, I wasn't too worried about rigging in the hydraulics for the fore/aft. On the 220F I had before, once i got the fore/aft of the reel set where I wanted it, I never moved it again. That might be the case here as well. Did you unbolt the cylinders from the rail when you moved the reel around? |
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SE MN | We had hydraulic fore/aft, but after a cylinder started leaking for the second time I decided not to fix it and bolted it. I never moved it again.
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Eastern ND | If the header height cobtrol doesn't work after it is all hooked up. look under the cab, there should be a light chain hooked to a lever that turns an electric switch on and off. This energizes the Header Height system. Make sure the chain is hooked to the lever and to the feeder house. May have to adjust the length. |
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| Don, ow'sa the weather down your way? Hot & humid here & need a rain. July total so far is .47" |
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Elizabethtown,KY | boog - 7/18/2013 06:02
Don, ow'sa the weather down your way? Hot & humid here & need a rain. July total so far is .47"
Byron, I had 5.3" the 1st week of July and 3/10ths" last Thursday, corn looks excellent, if it finishes well I could very well have the best corn crop I've ever raised. I have corn that was planted from the 15th of Apr-May 24th, the last planted is ready to tassel and we have a 60-70% chance of rain for Saturday.
It was mid 90's here yesterday and is to be again today and tomorrow, then cool off after the rain. I have yet to see corn roll or twist yet this year which is unusual, last year at this time corn was already toast.
I hope you get some rain soon! |
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thumb of michigan | Looks like the adapter is already on his header. |
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| I want to add a few comments. On the automatic drop when hooked up with separator on. It might and it might not drop depends on where the slack in the small chain under the cap is adjusted because the chain is the header height drop adjustment. On the the two large hoses for reel drive my 6620 manual said to have them always hooked together when not using header to circulate oil. On the dialamatic I believe the three switches control the down pressure weight of the header not the height. Use them for wet through dry conditions. In other words when it gets dry and header starts riding up on stubble add more pressure. |
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Need help hooking up my JD 8820 combine to my 930F header.
