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North Central Kansas | I'm looking for a good 30 foot header that would fit on an 8820, and yet be able to work for a newer machine (9610 or newer) X years down the road.
I have no idea what the model numbers mean on tractor house, nor what to look for or stay away from.
crops to harvest....in this order.... wheat, soybeans, milo
(270 FD70's....what ever these are)
,, butt load of 40's and 35's seems 30's are rare |
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McLeod County MN | Mac Don's in order of age are 974, FD70 and new models are FD75. CaseIH drapers are made for them by Mac Don. I believe they are the 2142, 52 and 62 series. The heads are interchangeable with most brands of combines. They make adapters for many different brands |
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| 960 would work also can get them in a 30' triple delivery and be able to swath with them also. Only drawbacks are, they can not cut quite as close to the ground as the newer headers, belt tension system is cables (little more maintenance involved) and make sure it has the newer style Mac Don wobble box on it. |
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Leeds, North Dakota | Would have to modify header a lot, not saying it can't be done, older heads are out there, small heads are hard to find, Scott. |
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North Central Kansas | What do you mean have to modify it a lot?
Do you mean that they are not made for an 8820? |
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| You should be able to find a nice 930F for less than $10k. |
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Leeds, North Dakota | bharzman - 6/14/2013 18:00
What do you mean have to modify it a lot?
Do you mean that they are not made for an 8820? Look at feederhouse on a 9610 versus your machine, whats the difference, Scott. |
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North Central Kansas | would it be easier to mod the header or the machine?
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Leeds, North Dakota | Can you get a adapter for your machine, don't modify header for the future, jd has there own heads why not use them, Scott. |
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North Central Kansas | I do not know. That is why I am in here trying to learn what I should look for/do. So I don't look like an idiot at a dealers lot.
I know my 224 ridged & the 224 flex are both u der sized for the machine.
Dad maintains the machine (won't buy bigger, that's up to me which I can not afford). So I could do baby steps and get a better header |
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Leeds, North Dakota | Your not being a fool, that's what Nat is for, thinking that's what machine was made for, I know my buddy run them, hopefully others will jump in, Scott. |
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North Central Kansas | the down side is....i might have to take the header off going from field to field....24 we can leave on.
up side is, 1 head to maintain, and a lot better flow of product |
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sw Nebraska | Maybe a nice intermediate step would be a full finger 930f or 930 R if you just do wheat. The 930's fed better than the early 630's, and add a Lankota or JD kit and you could take it all the way to a 9660. The full finger heads feed a lot better than the 224's. |
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Galahad, Alberta | Macdon first started with the "Harvest Header", made from the mid 80's up till 1991. I used to run a 25' one of these on a 8820 and then a 9500. It worked fine on either machine with no change-over issues. It used the old style JD wobble box and had a pump for running the canvases that used the combine's hyd oil. Not a great system, orbit motors were an issue. The 960 header is from about 1992 up to 1998. The adapter, called a 960A, was from the same period. The headers were fairly bullet proof and you could get them with lots of options, although if all you are doing is straight cutting, shifting decks is kind of pointless. The adapter now had it's own hyd. oil reservoir for turning the drapers and pea auger. Big improvement. The reel is still run from the combine hyd. system. Macdon then went to the 962/972 headers for a few years, then the 963, 973 and 974. I traded my old Macdon off on a 2002 36' 962 with a 1998 960A adapter under it for use on a 9610. Again, no problems hooking up to the combine, but I had to do some piecing together of drive line stuff to fit the older adapter adapter to the newer header. You will notice in adds that they will list adapter model numbers 871, 872, or 873. These were vast improvements over the 960A design. I am currently running a 873 adapter converted to single point hook up for my STS 9760 with the good old 962 header on it. The 962 is a basic draper header best suited to standing grain. I do cut field peas with mine, but you have to be careful. The 972/973 is a better built machine that can really cut low, and has some bells and whistles that the 962 doesn't have. Watch for the design of the pick-up reel(6 bats vs, 5), gauge wheels, transport kits(small wheels vs. big wheels), pea augers, fore-/aft on the reel, hydraulic tilt on the header. I have the 960A adapter for sale, if you want to go on a road trip this summer!
Rosco |
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North Central Kansas | I would use it for wheat, soybeans, and standing milo |
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| I agree with Rosco. The 972 or 973 are real nice headers, ran them for years. Running a D60 series now. If many bean may want a 974 thats like the 972 just is the flex draper. the FD70 is the newer flex draper. a D60 is a rigid draper. Good luck
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Rivers, MB | Feederhouse on a 9610 should be identical to a 8820 if i'm not mistaken. At least from a hooking to a header point of view.
From what I've heard, the 962/972 header was a much better header/adaptor than the 960's.
If I was you, I'd be looking for a late model 930R or a 930D (JD draper). My cousin runs a 930D on an 8820. Works quite well.
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North Central Kansas | 930R...ridged. What's the point n beans?
930D....better then a Mac don? |
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Roseglen, North Dakota | 8820, 9600, 9610, 9650 walker--feederhouses are identical. For that matter, they are the same up to current S670, etc--only the drive system is different. IMHO the 930D/936D would be much superior to 960 MacDon but would be 3x the money ($10k vs $30k) 972, 973's and later are great heads but will cost about the same as 930D/936D. If you're in 40 bu wheat or less, I wouldn't be afraid to put 36' on 8820 (drive a little slower if necessary), we ran 36 MacDon/Honeybee on 8820's for years. |
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North Central Kansas | 36' in low bu wheat, but what about beans and milo then? Will that be too much for it? |
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WC Saskatchewan | Thats a good writeup, and good explanation.
i ran a 36' Macdon harvest header on a 8820 for a few years, then bought a 9600, and ran it a few more years. Did not have to change anything on the feederhouse. It was a 1991 If I remember right. It used the combine oil to run everything. It was a good header, covered a lot of acres without much repairs.
It was a vast improvement over a 930 auger head. I could never get the 930 to feed smooth in Durum wheat, it always fed in wads. Running the Macdon was a little bit of heaven.
Now have a 36' 974 flexdraper on a 9760sts. Many improvements over the old header, but most likely way too heavy for a 8820.
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