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| jatkins814 |
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east tennessee | I am a new member to ag talk and the reason I signed up was to ask this... I live in the sweet water valley of east Tennessee and am considering starting a small, very small, feed business. I'm wanting to focus on the beef cattle industry here that is very abundant. Is it possible for me to by ingredients such as corn, gluten, oats, grains, ect., and produce a quality organic daily supplement feed for cattle? The equipment I'm considering is a grinder mixer and a 600 lb/hr pellet mill and possibly a bagging machine. Is this a realistic idea to have or a waste of time and money?? | ||
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| Kooiker |
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Before doing anything else you might want to contact your state Dept of Ag to find out what kind of licensing/paper work/regulations you'd need to comply with.
From what I've heard, commercial feed mills are getting all kinds of regulations thrown at them and its only a matter of time before it starts hitting the farm level feed mills.
As far as being a waste of time it all depends on how much demand there is for what you want to sell. Here I think it'd be a hard to make it go without getting hooked up with a well know feed brand.
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| Canderson012 |
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Houston County, GA | post on stock talk for better feedback! | ||
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| unifarmor |
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Western Oregon | I started doing this in oregon and ran into several problems right away. 1. Regulations In my state you have to have a license, you have to have a label with the feed analysis, and you have to follow your label. This makes it difficult to make and sell a balanced ration based on what products are available at the best cost. 2. Insurance is very expensive 3. People will report you if you start of advertise on craigslist. 4. There is plenty of overpriced organic feed already. (but then again, I live in Oregon. I think I am legal as I am only selling the grain and I mix and grind it as a service. I don't sell by the pound, I sell by volume. I do not put any mineral or vitamin supplements in myself. The customer weighs and pours in his own supplement and I just turn on the mixer. I do not sell organic. Organic grain is too expensive. I had no room to make any money on the feed resale. I went with the local and sustainable concept and I played up the whole grumpy farmer just trying to provide wholesome, fresh made, quality feed for hungry pigs and chickens kind of thing. The first year I used a lot of screenings and bought part truckloads of grain or that last combine tank that wouldn't fit in the truck. The screenings didn't work so well as it is hard to make a consistent product. The last two years I've been growing my own for the most part. Ten acres of Oats and peas and fifteen acres of barley will make a lot of feed. Because adding supplements to the feed puts me square into the licensed feedmill category I supplement with as much green hay as I can. Alfalfa hay grinds up nicely. This year I scored small truck load of clover screenings which had a lot of leaves and stems. That has worked very well. Does it pay? I started with a flatbelt powered hammer mill and a MM Z tractor, both of pre WWII vintage. Now I'm running an old NH mixer grinder powered by an 806 IH or sometimes a White 2-135, I bought a digital scales kit on ebay, and I traded for a very old forklift. I'm spending very little money on equipment and I'm doing ok. But, it also fits in with my hay sales and straw sales and I'm not buying raw materials. With small equipment, making feed is pretty time consuming. I do not have a pellet mill. There seems to be a very good market for fresh made feed. Animals like it better and people like to interact with the guy who makes the feed. I also got together with a customer and figured out the maximum price I could charge him for feed and he could still make money. I don't go beyond that price point regardless of the feed price at the local big feed store. I also don't advertise. I use word of mouth only. I have no idea if this information applies to you. This is what I am doing. | ||
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| unifarmor |
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Western Oregon | I should point out that I am quite small scale. I have one customer who takes 6,000lbs of pig feed per month. Another who takes 4,000lbs of cow feed every four months. One customer takes five buckets of chicken feed every other week, another takes 4 55gallon drums every two weeks. This also illustrates how hard it is to sell by volume. It is impossible to describe your sales without resorting to pounds. I sell in large cardboard boxes, big bags, five gallon buckets, garbage cans and 55 gallon drums. I use a NH 357 mixer grinder and do 4,000lb batches. | ||
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| Gary Lyon |
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![]() Southeast Wyoming | Have you researched much about the pellet mill? I have worked in a couple of feed mills and we always had a boiler to condition the feed prior to pelleting and also a cooling tower to cool and dry the pellets. It seems like that would get expensive in a hurry. | ||
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| John SD |
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![]() | Most small family owned feed businesses here not only serve the small hobby producer feeding a few head but also larger operations who raise livestock as their sole source of income. I guess what I'm trying to say is that you need to be able to service every customer, whether they need a couple bags of sweet chop and a bag of dog food or a semi-load of cake delivered to their overhead bin. A niche market for servicing the needs of organic beef production only, I don't see how anyone could make a living at that. As a small customer I used to buy 2 tons of cracked corn/DDG mix every 3 weeks or so through the winter for my weaned calves, salt and mineral for everything, and a ton of lick tubs every so often. Now that I have retired, all I ever buy is a 40lb bag of cat food when I need it. IMO, there aren't enough small hobby type customers around here that a feed business could make a living focusing only on those customers. Your area may be different. As mentioned, you can have your own home made mix, but also need to affiliate with a well known feed brand (perhaps several brands if possible) offering a broad spectrum of products for a broad spectrum of customers who raise a broad spectrum of livestock. Takes a wide array of products if you seek to provide every customers with their needs for cattle, sheep, swine, horses, and poultry. Local family owned feed guy here also offers quite a few veterinary pharmaceuticals, water system products, and livestock equipment too. The workforce of this small operation consists only of the owner and a young hired guy who minds the store while he is out on deliveries. Facilities are very basic. No pellet mill of his own. Pellets are delivered from 100 miles from an established mill. He has a large quonset for feed storage, 3 overhead bins which vary in contents throughout the year, a small trailer for office and smaller items, and an outdoor scale large enough to accomodate a semi. Carries several name brands including CHS feed, Vigortone, Payback, and Purina minerals, CountryVet pet foods,American Stockman salt, Vern's Mfg and Stur-D livestock handling equipment, Ritchie waterers, among others. This guy is a long-time neighbor. He took over an existing elevator facility that burned down. Basically, he started with only the quonset that was the only thing left. Seems to do a good business, and is a top notch guy to deal with too. HTH, and good luck. Is there a possiblity you could buy into and eventually take over an existing operation already providing this service? Edited by John SD 5/27/2013 12:39 | ||
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| jatkins814 |
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east tennessee | Man, this site is awesome I can't believe how fast yall responded with so much usefull information. I really appreciate everyones reply... Pointing out the moisture in the pellets causing weight discrepancies were something that I haven't thought of yet. And I know I need to check with my extension office, but does anybody know what types of license you would need and how much insurance would be needed. Also the market I'm after is the hobby beef farmer who has any where from 5-40 head, which is most everybody with ten or more acers.there's not a lot of big commercial farms here so my market caters mostly the hobby farmer... 100 acres here would be considered a BIG farm. There are a few row crop farms and dairy farms but they are few and far inbetween. Again thanks for the replys | ||
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| John SD |
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![]() | jatkins814 - 5/27/2013 18:58 100 acres here would be considered a BIG farm. Go a few hundred miles in any direction and there is a lot of difference in the cattle business. 100 acres "here" typically will run about 5 cows with calves, in a good year. Some years you'd have to cull a couple cows, or buy extra feed. | ||
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| Funacres |
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Missouri | I bought a feed mill as part of an unintended venture (another story) and have learned an awful lot since making that decision. The first problem is the very, very low margin available in the industry. Manufacturing feed involves a large number of issues that still haven't been covered here. The very first thing you need to do is obtain a feed manufacturing license. Next you will need to publish labels for each product you need to manufacture and get them approved. That is a very big venture in itself, especially when you include medication in your ration. You will need to do this for any additional state that you wish to market/ship to. Then there is the feed mill ton taxes that you will need to report and pay. You will need product liability insurance. | ||
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| jatkins814 |
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east tennessee | Thanks again for the replys, sounds like I've got a lot to think about before jumping into this. I knew there would be alot of things come up that I didn't know about, just not that many lol... What about using only single ingredients to make pellets, such as alfalfa, would there still be that much liability involved? | ||
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| Funacres |
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Missouri | Single ingredients won't change the regulations for manufactured feed. Also you mentioned pellets and as stated above, you will need to use steam and cool the pellets before packaging. Pellets are difficult at best to produce and involves a lot of trial and error. With the right setup and enough skill you can succeed with the process, but it isn't for beginners. | ||
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| jatkins814 |
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east tennessee | The single ingredient feeds that u mentioned, are they ready to be sold as feed straight out of the combine or is there additional processing involved... Say I was goin to sell cracked corn. What all would I need to be able to do so and is there any money to be made doing it. I'm not looking to get rich off anything just looking to get into something I really enjoy while I'm still young and make a decent living. | ||
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| Funacres |
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Missouri | You would need a seed/grain cleaner and a corn chopper. As I said, very low margin, really close to zero and plenty of expense to pay out of that. | ||
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| GreySage |
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| And he left a bunch out. There is no upside. Big black hole. It will drain cash and take all your time with no reward. | |||
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| Gary Lyon |
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![]() Southeast Wyoming | There was a niche for a while of roasting feed. I don't know how that turned out, but may be cheaper than a pellet mill. | ||
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| jatkins814 |
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east tennessee | I like the bio diesel idea. Has anybody given that any thought yet | ||
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| HYDE |
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North Carolina | Hey shoot me a email. Mines in my profile. | ||
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| culter |
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s.w. Wi. | Biodiesel production is another world in itself. The regulations involved might make you change your mind. There are reasons that more people don't do it and the government will be glad to let you know them. Small scale production can almost go unnoticed, but don't leave yourself open to lawsuits if you make any mistakes by not following the "rules". Like they said earlier, insurance is a must. | ||
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| jatkins814 |
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east tennessee | The government seems to always be the common denominator in everything.. think u got a decent idea then uncle Sam tells you otherwise.. | ||
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| Thumb Crop Farmer |
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Thumb of Michigan | Watch your accounts receiveables, many in the beef are having cash flow issues and can be for some dairies. | ||
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| tecbaggerguy |
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| I know this is an old post, but we do get a couple of inquiries a year from people interested in starting their own feed business. Our recommendation is to start with the end in mind...for example, where, what, and for how much will you sell your animal feed? Take a look at what is selling in your area. Visit local feed stores, or take a look at their websites to determine what is the most popular products are. Here in our part of Texas, the most popular livestock feed products for large to medium sized animals is 20% pasture cubes sold in 50 lb bags that contains processed grain byproducts, cottonseed meal, vitamins, minerals, etc. After creating your feed, then how will you package and sell it? Here's an example of a simple, high-speed bagging system for packaging alfalfa pellets: https://www.tinsleycompany.com/automated-feed-bagging-system-for-50l... and then a lower rate bagging system using a mechanical gross weigh bagger: https://www.tinsleycompany.com/bagging-deer-corn-and-other-grains-in... After packaging and selling your feed product for a while, you would enhance your systems to make things more automated to reduce labor costs and then expand your distribution area. Edited by tecbaggerguy 4/26/2022 16:34 | |||
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