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dmswil
Posted 4/22/2013 21:31 (#3055969)
Subject: Gramoxone ?



mascoutah, IL
What do you guys mix with your gramoxone to get it really hot. I have used it a couple times in the past few years and not been extremely happy with it. I want to use it on some fields that will be hit with the field cultivator once and planted. I would like to "torch" everthing in a few days so it doesn't drag up. In the past we have run 24-32 oz with some crop oil, don't recall how much. Seems like I sprayed some powermax last year with sharpen and mso on some bean ground that killed just about as fast. I am targeting chickweed, henbit, and those damn dark green wooly weeds that drag all over the sweeps. If I had more time I would just use roundup but I'm afraid by the time we get a chance it's going to be rush rush rush.

Edited by dmswil 4/22/2013 21:34
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puff33m
Posted 4/22/2013 21:32 (#3055972 - in reply to #3055969)
Subject: RE: Gramoxone ?


N FLA
Dual?



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hb35
Posted 4/22/2013 21:40 (#3055993 - in reply to #3055972)
Subject: Re: Gramoxone ?


west TN
Sencor
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dmswil
Posted 4/22/2013 21:42 (#3056003 - in reply to #3055993)
Subject: Re: Gramoxone ?



mascoutah, IL
Do you still add the crop oil with either of those?
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pupdaddy12003
Posted 4/22/2013 21:46 (#3056020 - in reply to #3055969)
Subject: Re: Gramoxone ?



NW Central Ohio
...if your weeds are over 6 inches you need at least 1.5 quarts up to 2 quarts. You're just not using enough product in my opinion. Cool weather could be giving you fits too. I do like the Glyphosate, Sharpen and Metribuzin with either crop oil or MSO that I've stated before...but it's a little overkill for something you're going to field cultivate anyways. If you really want to keep those weeds down...a shot of dicamba (1/2 pint) simazine (1.5 lb.) and crop oil in the fall will leave you with a clean field in the spring (Which keeps your nematodes from having a place to overwinter).

Edited by pupdaddy12003 4/22/2013 21:48
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Dave Seck
Posted 4/22/2013 22:04 (#3056089 - in reply to #3055969)
Subject: RE: Gramoxone ?


SC Kansas - Hutchinson
Use lots of water and NIS to improve coverage. We use 25gpa and 1pt/100gal NIS. Our best results have come by including sencor with the mix at at least 3oz/ac. This helps the paraquat move in the plant before it burns. Atrazine will do the same but our experience has been that it doesn't work as well. We have also seen improved results with twin nozzles. Facing forward and rear. Coverage is essential. We apply 3# generic paraquat at 32oz/ac. That is equivalent to 48oz/ac gramoxone.
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lawfarms
Posted 4/22/2013 22:29 (#3056174 - in reply to #3055969)
Subject: Re: Gramoxone ?



King City, Mo
From what I've herd your Triazine chemicals heat up gramoxone. Like atrazine simazine and metribuzin.

It's good that your wanting to mix up your chemical family's. Spraying rup for burn down followed by one or two post sprays of rup year after year is what created resistant weeds. Plus trying to spray too big of weeds with not enough chemical....
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twraska
Posted 4/22/2013 23:18 (#3056273 - in reply to #3055969)
Subject: RE: Gramoxone ?


Wallis, TX

Throw a little fertilizer in the mix.

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Adrian
Posted 4/23/2013 05:57 (#3056433 - in reply to #3055972)
Subject: RE: Gramoxone ?



South Georgia
Do you happen to have a picture of that pigweed a week later? Lol...

Adrian
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Ed Winkle
Posted 4/23/2013 06:08 (#3056448 - in reply to #3055969)
Subject: Re: Gramoxone ?


Martinsville, Ohio
Gramoxone would be ideal here in our lush green growing conditions. I heat it up with metribuzin for beans and atrazine for corn. It is my favorite burn down. If I don't get a good kill I didn't use enough or the plants have hardened off. Spray water is probably important too, those guys with structured RO water get better kills.

Ed
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puff33m
Posted 4/23/2013 07:16 (#3056576 - in reply to #3056433)
Subject: RE: Gramoxone ?


N FLA
No, but havent seen any survive, where have you been? Anything happening in south GA?
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puff33m
Posted 4/23/2013 07:24 (#3056591 - in reply to #3055969)
Subject: RE: Gramoxone ?


N FLA
Maybe as some others mentioned, more water per acre too, at least 20 gallons, maybe 30 if you could?
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behog
Posted 4/23/2013 07:41 (#3056631 - in reply to #3055969)
Subject: Re: Gramoxone ?


frederick, MD
25 gallons of uan, gramoxone, crop oil, atrazine and verdict. rolling up in an hour, brown the next morning.
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dmswil
Posted 4/23/2013 08:11 (#3056737 - in reply to #3056631)
Subject: Re: Gramoxone ?



mascoutah, IL
Guess I should have added that we are using 20-25 gallons of water. Thanks for all the tips.
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Buehler
Posted 4/23/2013 12:14 (#3057220 - in reply to #3055969)
Subject: Re: Gramoxone ?



Scott City KS
2-4D will heat it up too. Everybody here uses Sincore (no residual) or Atrazine (residual).
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ClarendonFarms
Posted 4/23/2013 14:09 (#3057422 - in reply to #3055969)
Subject: Re: Gramoxone ?


Lowcountry SC
Had a buddy that worked with Syngenta and he told me to put it out late in the evening and on into the night so the leaves had plenty of time to soak it up before the sun came up and burned the plant. Sorta thought he was messing with me until I saw it in fine print on the label and did some experimenting. The fields we sprayed late evening/night were way more burned the next day compared to the ones we did around lunch the day before. Chemically and biologically it sorta jives but that's just my 2 cents
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Ed Winkle
Posted 4/23/2013 16:24 (#3057592 - in reply to #3057220)
Subject: No residual with metribuzin?


Martinsville, Ohio

"Several years ago a dealer commented to me that he didn’t know why he would ever need to recommend metribuzin to a grower.  I remember thinking that there was a need somewhere for almost every residual herbicide available to us, and that some would likely become more important due to herbicide resistance issues.  We seem to have arrived at that point with metribuzin.  This is of course not news to those readers who never stopped using it, but for the rest of us, this article hopefully provides the reason to use or recommend metribuzin in some soybean fields.    

Metribuzin is a triazine herbicide and photosynthetic inhibitor that has been used in soybeans since the mid 1970’s, and it was a primary component of soybean herbicide programs prior to the introduction of ALS-inhibiting herbicides in the late 1980’s.  Sold by Bayer under the name Sencor for several decades (but no longer), generic metribuzin is currently available from several companies (e.g. Metri DF, Tricor, Dimetric).  Metribuzin is a component of several premix products also, including Canopy/Cloak DF, Boundary, Matador, Intimidator, and Authority MTZ.     

Metribuzin is one of the few residual herbicides that also have substantial burndown activity, primarily through non-systemic activity on small annual weeds.  While this activity by itself is usually not adequate for control of emerged weeds, combining metribuzin with other burndown herbicides can improve the overall effectiveness of the burndown.  Metribuzin’s contribution is maximized by mixing it with other burndown herbicides that work via contact activity (non-systemic), such as Liberty, Gramoxone, and Sharpen.   This can be an advantage that metribuzin has over the two other herbicides that are also widely used for residual control of marestail, flumioxazin (Valor) and sulfentrazone (Authority/Spartan), which do not provide any control of emerged weeds and have some potential to antagonize the activity of systemic herbicides.

The spectrum of residual control for metribuzin includes most small-seeded annual broadleaf weeds.  It is most effective on lambsquarters, pigweeds, Pennsylvania smartweed, ladysthumb, marestail, and waterhemp, but also has some activity on common ragweed, velvetleaf, and annual grasses.  Metribuzin does not control weeds that are resistant to triazine herbicides of course.  We consider the rate of 0.28 lb ai/A (6 oz of 75DF) to be about the minimum for effective control of any annual weeds, and we have observed more effective control with increasing rate between 0.28 and 0.56 lbs/A.  Where the goal is to attain a certain metribuzin rate by combining it with another premix that also contains metribuzin, it’s obviously important to know how much metribuzin the other product contains.  This information can be found in Table 18 of the “2013 Weed Control Guide for Ohio and Indiana”.  For example, the 4 oz rate of Canopy DF contains 0.16 lb ai of metribuzin, so reaching a metribuzin rate of 0.47 lbs ai would require the addition of another 0.31 lbs, or 6.6 oz of a metribuzin 75DF product.

Metribuzin is only moderately persistent in soil, so where it is applied a few weeks or more ahead of planting, increasing the rate or making two applications can improve the longevity of control.  The rate used also depends upon whether metribuzin is being applied with other herbicides that have substantial activity on the weeds of interest.  So while we suggest that rates of 0.47 to 0.56 lbs ai/A could be the most effective for residual marestail control in the absence of other residual herbicides, a rate of 0.28 lb ai/A could be adequate to improve the control when applied with Valor XLT, Authority First, Sonic, etc.

The table in the metribuzin label that shows application rates based on soil texture and organic matter content has more detail than similar tables on many other herbicide labels.  Metribuzin can occasionally injure soybeans and it is important to follow the rate guidelines on the label to minimize the risk of injury.  Injury is more likely where soil pH is 7.5 or higher, and some soybean varieties can be sensitive to metribuzin.  Check with the seed company for more information, although many seed companies no longer screen their soybean varieties for metribuzin sensitivity.  The risk of injury may be lower than it was 30 years ago when higher rates of atrazine were being used in the preceding year’s corn crop.  In addition, applying several weeks or more before planting in no-till probably reduces the risk of injury compared with application at or after planting."

From Dr. Mark Loux, one of the few professors I listen to.

Ed Winkle

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Adrian
Posted 4/23/2013 21:25 (#3058445 - in reply to #3056576)
Subject: RE: Gramoxone ?



South Georgia
Just started planting peanuts today. Corn is all up, mostly side dressed, and starting to water the older of it.

I think we're the first I've heard of starting to plant peanuts, but I'm sure there are a few others.

Only heard of one guy having any cotton planted.

I think this week will get folks in gear!

How's things down your way?

Adrian
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