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Southern IL. | When you see purchase price for Intellislope on Soilmax website (I am talking the agleader integra version of it) the price is $9,995 for AgLeader Integra display with basic cabling and slope sensor with terrain compensation. My question is there any kind of RTK unlock included in the screen price and also I assume the software to operate is included for that price. Is integra just a screen or a screen and receiver like say an FM 750. I have a FM 750 that is unlocked to RTX already, that I could further unlock up to RTK and add base if needed. I though I might provide GPS info through it to intellislope for signal only since it is already available. Just thinking might not be any reason to unlock on up to RTK on 750 if the Integra already was RTK ready. Might just buy antenna for plow and use the integra . Any suggestions. Thanks!
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| Trade your 750 for a FMX. Problem solved for less money and one less monitor in the cab not to mention a better and easier tiling job. |
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Southern IL. | Do you know what cost is for FMX with RTK unlock is and also do you have to purchase additional software on top of the cost of screen and RTK unlock? Does any one have approximate idea of what it might take to trade FM 750 unlocked for RTX up to a FM 1000 or FMX with RTK unlock and WM-Drain? Thanks!
Edited by redfarmer72 4/13/2013 21:41
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| Unfortunately no, I am not a dealer. It was a suggestion since you already have the 750. From what I have seen the fm is much better at laying out tile runs.
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Winkler, Manitoba Canada | The Integra does not have a built in GPS receiver. You should be able to use your FM750 to provide the appropriate signal if you unlock it to RTK. |
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NE Iowa | The $10,000 for the integra includes everything you need to tile, minus the hydraulic valve, GPS source and SMS software for making maps. What do you use the 750 for now? You could easily buy a standalone RTK system for the Integra and it would do everything the 750 would do and then some. The FMX from what people say does a nice job on a tile plow which the Integra does as well and will also be 10 times the monitor in other applications on your farm, I'd take your 750 in on trade if your intersted.. Or you could unlock your 750 for RTK and send the RTK signal to the Integra for controlling the tile plow. Lots of options! |
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Dalton, OH | Not to highjack but what does the SMS software cost for making tile maps? Just curious. I'm in the process of also purchasing a soil max plow and going through a similar decision on Integra versus FMX. Thanks
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NE Iowa | SMS Basic is $750, which is all you need to make maps. That allows the software to be installed on two computers, I have many guys that will split the software with a neighbor. After the first year its $120/year for updates and support. Or I have others that just need the software to make tile maps and will just send their thumb drive to me to make maps being I can do it cheaper than owning the software... |
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ND | An example of 2 of your possible options: 1)keep your 750 upgrade to RTK, buy a base station, buy an integra. 2) trade your 750 for FM-1000 with wm-drain & RTK, and buy a base.
1) RTK unlock with radio 4000
Base station 12,000 + Tripod
Integra 10,000
total 26,000
(you will also need a hydraulic control module and if you want, slope compensation)
2) Trade price for a 750 with RTX in our area is about 3,500*
FMX with RTK Radio 8,000
RTK Unlock 4,000
WM-Drain 2,000
Base station 12,000 + tripod
Total 22,500
(you will also need a hydraulic control module and if you want, slope compensation)
*case by case basis depending on demand
I don't have the prices for ag leader but for Case IH a vehicle kit (hydraulic control kit) for a tractor varies from 440 to 1,800. A tile plow kit (cables and zephyr 2 antenna for precise applications) is 1000 or 2000 if you want an adjustable Trimble mast. A T3 Slope and pitch compensator (roll pitch yaw) is about 2000 and to enable it to control height and pitch on a parallel type plow is a 1000 unlock. The desktop software is $750 for mapping (same as SMS Basic) and to create your own tile maps it is an extra 2250 on an unlimited amount of computers. Sharing it with your neighbor is illegal as is any software package with a user licensing agreement to not distribute the software to others. Support is 300 a year and includes Email, Phone, Forums (discussion boards) and all updates. |
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ND | AFS Surface is $3000 and support is 300 a year.
If you are looking at the FMX here is my website with all the equipment you can add on to the FMX for tiling
http://www.highplainseq.com/Precision_Farming_Tile_Plow.html |
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Dalton, OH | Can you design the tile system for the field with basic or do you need the advanced version? |
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NE Iowa | On option 1 you don't need to pay $13,000 for an over priced trimble base. You could go with an RTK unlock $2000, Hemisphere base & external radio $10,000 which saves you $4000 bringing you down to $22,500. The slope sensor is already included in the $10,000 base price for an Integra/Intellislope combo.
Hydraulic valve is $850.
Those options are very misleading in trimble's favor... |
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Southern IL. | Do both the Agleader and Trimble systems operate similarly. Do they both use gps and slope sensor to install? Is the ease of use compareable? Forgot to note earlier that I already have the FM 750 and a n EZ-PILOT w/ IMD 600 installed in CIH MX270 planting tractor. I guess I could get rid of Pro 600 off of the same planting tractor that pulls CIH ASM 1200 and go to one screen for Steering, Planter Controller, and Tiling. How easily is it to change configurations between these three. I currently already have the plow that came with the top con receiver and control box plus the mast. We have a Trimble 720 dual grade laser that we had been using. I figured there has to be some value in my laser components. Thanks!
Edited by redfarmer72 4/14/2013 14:33
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NE Iowa | What plow will it be going on? |
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Southern IL. | SOILMAX |
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ND | I guess if he would like to utilize his ez-pilot he might want to stick with a Trimble display.
Edited by bswenseth 4/14/2013 13:41
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ND | Switching between the three operations are very easy on a FMX. On the home screen you hit the wrench icon and pick what type of steering you are using (manual, ez-pilot, or autopilot) and then pick which plugin you want to use, planting or WM-Drain or many other options. When switching between ez-pilot to tiling you can move your IMD600 and save yourself 1750. the T3 sensor is the same for tiling and ez-pilot. |
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NE Iowa | You likely already have the correct valve then, its a parker proportional valve which is what Intellislope uses. Intellislope will use both GPS and slope sensor to control the plow which WM Drain can only due that on parallel link plows. Intellislope has always been known to be very easy to run and now that it's in the Integra most guys have found it even better yet! It just a matter of surveying your line, entering installation parameters and installing.
Here's a link to the owners manual to Intellislope if you want to check it out you'll see the screen shots on how it works!
http://dealer.agleader.com/kbp/index.php?View=afile&CategoryID=882&... |
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ND | TS79 - 4/14/2013 13:02
Intellislope will use both GPS and slope sensor to control the plow which WM Drain can only due that on parallel link plow
False. The option on a parallel link plow is to control 2 different sets of hydraulic cylinders - Height and pitch. With the imd600 it uses GPS and slope control for the cylinder for the pitch.
If you already have a valve on the plow, you can choose to either use the valve on the plow or use the electronic hydraulics in the tractor and bypass the valve on the plow. The fmx will use either. |
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East Central Ia | I have heard the FMX is great for water management but my other experiences with it have not been good.
I have not used my Integra on the tile plow yet but it seems much nicer to use than the gradient monitor was.
If you plan to use this monitor for other things i would strongly lean Ag Leader. Trimble has a lot to learn in all the areas other then steering and drainage. Thier mapping and data management, and product control is woefully behind Ag Leader in my experience.
Just my 2 cents... |
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Dalton, OH | I realize you can add a slope sensor to the FMX, but how do you feel about not having the pitch sensor? I know with some brands of plows this isn't an issue. I really like what Trimble brings to the market with their system and I already use Farmworks software so it's a good fit, but since soil-max and intellislope are kind of together, I wonder if it may work better that way.
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ND | I think there is confusion with the IMD-600 T3 Compensator that is installed on the tile plow. It will adjust for roll pitch and yaw. If you get the control unlock (1000) it will control the pitch and height of the boot. The height is more useful with a parallel link plow because on a cantilever plow the pitch of the knife will change the height of the boot. You can however use that unlock and have the Height cylinders on valve 1 and pitch cylinders on valve 3 of the tractor. when you start the run the plow will go down to the proper height and pitch it at the correct angle (configured in set up). once the plow is in the dirt, and there is weight pushing down on the knife, put valve 1 into float so the only thing correcting the height of the plow is the pitch of the plow. This is very useful for starting a line.
The following options are available:
• Select Height Control if no IMD-600 slope sensor is installed or if an IMD-
600 slope sensor is being used for roll corrections only.
• Select Pitch Control to allow the IMD-600 slope sensor to ADJUST for roll
and pitch corrections.
• Select Height and Pitch to allow the IMD-600 sensor to CONTROL pitch and
height.
Calibration- Determining the pitch offset
Without a correct pitch offset, the system will most likely attempt to maintain the design
slope and drive the plow above or below the optimal depth.
All cantilever plows must assume an angle that is slightly tipped up in order to maintain
depth against the immense down-pressure being applied by the soil that is being displaced. If
the boot travelled through the soil with an even attitude the plow would progressively plow
deeper as it was pulled through the soil.FmX Integrated Display User Guide 9-67
Water Management 9
Once the pitch offset value has been determined, the value should only change as the tip
begins to show considerable wear.
Note – It may take some time to determine the proper pitch offset of a plow accurately.
Note – Before completing this process, ensure that the system drives to a consistent depth. This
depth may not be the optimal depth, but it will ensure that the hydraulic system is operating well.
Once you are certain that optimal performance has been achieved, you may begin the process of
determining the proper pitch offset with consistent results.
This was released last year
WM-Drain Farm Drainage Solution: Roll Correction and Pitch Control
Now Available
The Trimble® WM-Drain™ farm drainage solution is now capable of roll correction and controlling the boot pitch
on a drainage plow using a slope sensor.
Note: For any of these features to operate, the WM-Drain passcode (P/N 93530-01) must first be activated on the
FmX® integrated display.
Note: The FmX display must have version 6.5 or later of the firmware installed for the IMD-600 unit to work with
the WM-Drain solution.
The following key features are now included in the solution:
1. You can now eliminate inaccuracies created by vehicle roll using T3™ terrain compensation technology:
2. You can now take complete control of a double link or parallel link plow by controlling the up and down
hydraulics with GPS, and controlling the pitch with the IMD-600 slope sensor: |
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Dalton, OH | Thanks for clearing things up. |
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ND | I would ensure that you don't need the pro600 to run the planter before getting rid of it. I know on the newer planters you need a pro600/700 to operate the planter, no other display can (proprietary equipment).
From the owners manual of a 1250 front fold planter:
The Advanced Farming System (AFS) Pro 600/700 or Early Riser IV system with marker controller (if equipped), controls and monitors seed population and spacing as well as marker extend/retract and liquid fertilizer application (if equipped). Ground speed, individual row unit seed delivery, vacuum level and seed hopper level are also AFS monitored. |
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NE Iowa | Need advanced and the drainage module unlock to do design work, add's up to $3000 when its all said and done... |
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Elvaston, IL | I have the Integra Intellislope setup and have only used it two days last week. We've had a FMX for 4 years for planting/autosteer. I've had issues with both, but I can't explain the frustration spawned from calling the Trimble dealer, leaving a message, waiting a day to get a call back (while we're waiting), vs. calling ag leader tech support, talking to a person within 2 minutes, and having them state the issue and fix withing another minute. It's refreshing.
I'd say user friendliness is about the same between the two displays, if you can run one, you'd be smart enough to run the other too.
We use an Outback basestation and love it. I've never used WM drain, but I have used Trimble's application stuff and can't say anything too high about it. Trimble knows guidance and they know it well. Outside of that, I'm not impressed. |
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