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Midwestern Illinois | does anybody have any experince with the john deere high speed anhydrous bar? I'm thinking about trying it and was wondering if anybody has had any problems with the depth of the high speed bar doing fall application or any yield drag. Thanks |
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EC IL | neighbor had one he did not have real good luck with it, would not seal right and that was sidedressing no matter the adjustments for 2 years could not get it right. Local FS had one for custom app. had the same problem. Neighbor sold his last year and got a standard bar not sure what brand. |
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| Same story here... Issues trying to get it to seal. Also heard complaints about how heavy they are. |
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Central Nebraska | When people claim high speed what do they mean? We pull a 32.5 ft custom bar with 13 knives, two hiniker heat exchangers, and raven flow components controlled by our FMX. When the weather is good (warm so the NH3 comes out of the tank good) we can run 8 MPH in standing corn stalks. This year we were running about 7 inches deep. |
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| there are alot of the john deere units here, working great, one neighbor runs about 2500 ac every fall and is on his 5th fall, no welds or breaks on frame. |
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| I should have added, I think their performance depends on your soil types. The old 750 drill opener they use doesn't make for much loose dirt in our soils. I think that's part of the sealing issue. |
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Saronville NE | There are several in this area, one guy just traded for his 2nd one, they run 10 mph with it, or Ive been told. I dont know anything bout em, Im all liquid and just have a homemade 16r bar for that. |
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Mid-Missouri | Neighbor tried one a few years ago. Pulled hard in the field, heavy, and awkward on the road.
oh yeah....expensive |
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Eastern Iowa | Ran one over a few thousand acres last fall with a 40' for the coop. Works well on soybean stubble. Ran 10-12 mph when the weather was warm enough to maintain flow. Did have some issues with sealing on disc ripped ground but we were able to get it set to work, just took time to get it dialed in for different conditions. They kept it on bean stubble this year, and got a 55' bar to run on ripped COC ground. Could run 7-8 mph with the large bar and cover the same number of acres per hour as the high speed bar. Personally I like the larger bar at slower speeds as you are getting just as much done without as many issues on getting it set right in varying conditions. |
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| We are starting our second season with one. It was a year old when we got it. We had one opener that was getting some mud beside it but tightened the scraper and its fine now. When we got it Deere put an updated opener on it and had a couple frame modifications.
The only down side is it takes more hp than we thought it would. We have a 15 shank unit. Originally put it on an 8310RT but that was not enough if we put it as deep as it would run. There are others around with larger bars and not much more hp unless thet are chipped. Last spring we had it on an 8345RT that was ok, could run in the 7's with it. This fall we have it on an 8360RT that is better and can get above 8 and keep it there for the most part. We are pulling double 1000 gallon trailers.
We have had absolutely no trouble with it sealing. That is one of its strong points. However if you slow down too much then it does not work as well.
The best part is in bean stubble there is virtually no track for water to run down. After the first rain you can't really see its been through the field. It follows the ground very well even over terraces.
We are happy with it. Email works I have a couple of videos of it if you are interested, can get others Monday. If anyone is close you are welcome to come ride. |
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MO | I had a local co-op run some gas on me last January with a high speed bar. It looked pretty good, great for no-till, I just planted into it in the spring. The corn only made 50 this year....so there must be a yeild drag with them.... |
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Malinta Ohio | Got ours last year second one on its way. All side dress running 10 mph with 8335R's no problems |
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Chebanse, IL..... | 2012 completed our 3rd full season of sidedressing w/our 2510H. We have owned a Blu-Jet & DMI (both mounted) bars in the past. They were both new, not beat up. We won't be going back to a conventional bar. There are a few JD bars in our area. They seem to have satisfied owners. Sealing has not been an issue for us, ever. However, we are 100% conventional tillage. Not sure if that makes a difference or not. We pull single 1425 gal tanks. We don't do any fall NH3, just a little pre-plant in spring & then sidedress. We have run the "skis" to keep the dirt from plowing up on the small corn. We start sidedressing when corn is 2-3" tall. JD did updates to the bar in 2012. Hitch reinforcement & weight bracket alterations. Otherwise, we've had no problems. We did go to the ANH3 system in 2012. It worked great, but that's a whole 'nuther subject area. It is not necessary to make a 2510H work, but I'm sure we'll continue to own the ANH3 system in the future also.
I understand from another poster on here that we don't run our bar fast enough. That could be, but we own it & we'll continue to run it the way that makes sense to us. I doubt that you'll see us set speed records w/any of our equipment....but it's ours. Anyway, we run just a little over 8 mph w/the bar, all the time. It works fine for us that way. I realize that others here can & do run that fast w/conventional knife bar units. That's fine, but we were usually limited to about 6.5 mph w/our DMI bar & mole knives.
I have no qualms about recommending the 2510H bar.
EDIT (added later): I have one complaint. Looking @ my photos I note where we bolted on a large piece of aluminum c-iron to the bottom of the jack stand. There isn't enough surface area on the jack to support the hitch (ours is pull type) in grass areas. Also, the jack is undersizedd (= takes too much effort...like a LOT!) in my opinion, but I feel that about a lot of implements. That could possibly be a "here" thing, but judging from the comments of the JD delivery truck guy, it's not just "here".
For comparisons, here's a YouTube of sidedressing w/our DMI bar back in 2004:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oy9InzF8tiQ
Still photos below are from 2012 season.
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South-central Nebraska | Ron, does JD recommend a limit on lbs of NH3 applied with their rig per pass? I know the Dawn Pluribus recommends 160 lbs or less due to the shallow application. Any leaf burn on the young corn, especially in tougher sealing clay areas? |
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Beardsley MN | I put over 5000 acres on one this year, some last spring, mostly this fall. Pulls easy, no sealing problems. Went in standing corn stalks. Worked cornstalks and bean stubble no problems. When it was dry shank units having problems with sealing and going in ground mine worked the best then. Coulter blades hardly show any wear yet. Rocks don't bother anything either. I have a hydraulic torpedo hitch on back so hooking up tanks is real easy too. |
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NorthCentral Illinois | Neighbor ran one in chiseled ground the NH3 vapor coming out behind it was terrible the smell drove me in the house. But they are a bunch of tractor cowboys only care about covering acres. |
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NW central IL | Ron, Al's got a 23 row 2510h now, hes getting along great also. not sure on sidedress, but i know he put on 260lbs actual for a custom customer he has last week, he said it sealed excellant still. hes running 7.5-8.5mph matters on hills with a chipped 8420 with big tires, i was impressed |
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South-central Nebraska | Around here there have been great results and trainwrecks with them. Custom applicators have had some problems running them when conditions were too hard and dry the last couple of years. With proper moisture they seem too be fine. I seem to think the ripping effect in my notill from the knives is beneficial to allow some easy water and root penetration when the ground is hard come spring.
Its too late this year but maybe next year I will hire the local custom dealer to do some side by side strips next to my DMI knife unit. I really can't say which is better unless seeing it side by side for a couple years. |
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| Like Ron we just finished our 3rd year. We have had some problems but overall very happy. Did about 3500 acres this year and I believe we replaced 4 hose clamps. Fall of 2011 we used a couple of shank type machines, very few passes were made without replacing shear bolts, knives, sealers, or shanks. I have no plans of going back, if for some reason we quit the Deere I will go liquid. Generally liquid for me "here" means a little less yield. We ran it this fall for the first time in any conditions except sidedress. Untouched bean stubble was great, chiesel ground behind a Dominator was fine that had some rain on it. The last 2 fields we had grid tiled and chieseled and came right back with NH3. It sealed fine but did ridge it up more in the mellow ground, actually looked about like when we ran a shank machine in the fall. |
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Bethany, MO | We've sold lots of them. They just work. Like any hot rod, they can take a little finesse to get them set just right, but I've never seen a situation, that it was made for, that it couldn't be set to impress. The biggest concern has always been the shallow placement. We do around 30 demos a year and consider a demo to be 2 tanks of NH3. This gives us the opportunity to run beside many shank machines in a strip in the field. I've never heard anyone complain about a drag in the 2510H area. You could not be impressed with it if, 1) You want to run <6/6.5 mph, 2) You want to put NH3 >6" deep, or 3) You want to till the soil with the NH3 bar. Otherwise, enjoy! |
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Malinta Ohio | Ron did you run Raven coolers before? My concern is if the ANH3 is worth the extra money. We have just recently gone to NH3 so I am still learning. (Have been farming for 15 years only used 28% and urea before last year) |
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Bethany, MO | Ron..NE ILL..10/48 - 11/23/2012 05:44
I understand from another poster on here that we don't run our bar fast enough.
Really? Just how fast did that "other poster on here" think you should pull it? I think the book says 8 to 10 mph, so you're within the recommended range at "just a little over 8 mph".
How much variance will you see in the gauges on the gauge tree? It looks like there are some that are a little off (I assume that 2 rows are applying at 1 1/2 rate for the guess row). We'll see 3 to 4# differences between gauges. If we exchange gauges, we move the problem. It looks like the same gauge we use, with about the same variance. |
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NE IN | There are some things to do if trouble sealing in harder lower o.m. Soils. Add a notched disk to the rear wheel just like the front closing wheel then orient them so the disks are the outside of the wheel further away from the trench it helps pull dirt to seal. Also adding beaver tails to the boot helps greatly. We've had ours since they were prototypes and worked well for us. It's not the answer to everything but does what we need. We find it just as expensive to maintain as a knife bar but we continuous no till with rocks so it saves us a bunch there. In pure plant conditions we remove most all the weights to lighten it up and it does fine. |
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Chebanse, IL..... | Millhouse,
I've not heard of any limit, though I suppose at some high rate & certain soil conditions, you might see sealing problems.
In our 3 yrs of use, I've not seen any leaf burning, though I know what it looks like. |
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Chebanse, IL..... | tomatofarmer
Yes, we had Ravens coolers on the 2510H bar for 2 yrs. Ran them for many years before on Blu-Jet & DMI bars. The 2510H came w/dual cooler setup.
If I had to start all over tomorrow from nothing, I'd start immediately w/the ANH3 system. But, everyone has their own agenda. We've used NH3 since the early '70s & I really like the controllability of the ANH3 system. But, I'm certainly not intending to spend your money and the ANH3 system is more expensive than Ravens coolers/controllers.
If you'd like, feel free to email me w/questions. We farm, we're not in the sales business in any way. |
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John deere high speed anhydrous bar vs. conventional anhydrous bar
