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central - east central Minnesota - | Comparing all those models - Kuhn/Krause Dominator, CaseIH 870, WilRich Soil Pro 513, Sunflower 4610's and Landoll 2410' - all disk rippers. In a size a 425hp 4x4 would handle ~ Seem to be pretty similar. Disk blades seem to be only difference in size.
Has anyone did side by side trials on which would leave CoC blackest?
Which are heaviest and stay in the ground (dry conditions)?
Field finish - incorperation the most residue ?
Which would work best in wet heavy black soils?
Finely, Cost - which is the best value ?
I've read some of the past post's on them, but nothing really comparing them all at once.
Not considering the Wishek's disks - only the above listed tillage tools.
TIA
Edit: Please elaborate on your replys' . . .why ?
Thanks agan.
Edited by iseedit 11/11/2012 10:25
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Central Minnesota | We tried a Dominator for a few rounds this fall in one of the fields next to our 2700.. I wouldn't call this year a decent year to give anything a trial. It was so dry, and the trash on top just was so fluffy that it didn't want to bury at all behind the dominator. Our 2700 left the ground much blacker. But it's not near as smooth as the dominator.
The other day, i did hear a rumor though that JD brought out the new replacement for the 2700... Kind of a hush hush thing. It was supposedly brought to Midwest Machinery in stewart. Was hauled there in van trailers. Unpainted. Mechanic's had to assemble it, then went out and tried it in a few fields. cob, and coc rotations. then brought it back in, disassembled it, and back into trailers it went. Don't know if the big wigs were there to stop the mechanics from taking any pictures with their cell phones or not. But from what i heard, it has real big blades in the front. The shanks are staggered instead of in a "V" like the 2700, and also had a big harrow and basket on the back. Now this is just what i had heard. Don't know how much to believe or not. Don't understand why JD would want to bring it all the way up to MN, rather than try it out somewhere by the plant. But who knows.
I do know there is a 2720 now. That's just a glorified 512 with bigger disks. So who knows what the new number will be on the replacement for the 2700. But after hearing what i heard about this "rumor" i'm pretty excited to see what they will have in the near future. |
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West Union, IOWA FLOLO Farm 52175 | Your little DX45 or whatever it is......is going to struggle with that......******* |
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| http://talk.newagtalk.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=340326&posts=3...
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| We demoed a 870 this fall. I did part of a field with the 870 and hope to do the rest this afternoon with our Dominator. I really don' think I'm going to see much difference, though I think the Dominator will leaver the ground a little smoother. Will try to post some pics later. |
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SW MN | Can't contribute any answers, looking forward to reading what others can. But, why not a wishek? |
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Did it stay in the ground?
I assume the 46110 is the same outfit as the 4630, just fewer shanks and non-folding ? |
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central - east central Minnesota - | loran - 11/11/2012 11:05 Your little DX45 or whatever it is......is going to struggle with that......*******
Yup . . . lol
More like one of those little one shank deal'ees from Mills Fleet ~ |
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central - east central Minnesota - | Noah - 11/11/2012 12:18 Can't contribute any answers, looking forward to reading what others can. But, why not a wishek?
Simply not an option, at this point, in our clay soils -
If we had all one soil type, and less rocks, maybe higher on the list. . . ... |
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MN | anybody know what the differnce between the 4610 and 4630 is?? was at local ziegler dealer yesterday and noticed a 4610 on the lot... looked nice came home and went to sunflower's site to research a bit, and can't pin down anything on the diefferences... |
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central - east central Minnesota - | swmn8560 - 11/11/2012 12:32 anybody know what the differnce between the 4610 and 4630 is?? was at local ziegler dealer yesterday and noticed a 4610 on the lot... looked nice came home and went to sunflower's site to research a bit, and can't pin down anything on the diefferences...
I looked at them on TractorHouse . ...
The few photo's listed, it appears they are the same, just the 4630 folds -
Hopefully, someone with more experence will confirm ~
SUNFLOWER's Website needs some serious work to update it and make it more friendly !
Edited by iseedit 11/11/2012 14:07
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| Six years running Dominators but demoed C870 for a few hours last week. Main reason for looking at Case is despite advertised operating width of 22.5, Dominator cannot run wider than 19' due to asymmetrical trash movement. Were able to run 870 at full operating width with out strips. Rolling basket design superior on Case as well. Believe we will be switching brands. If interested in more detail email. |
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Hardin County, IA | We are running an 870 7 shank and have had good luck with it. We have had some problems with the disk leveler system which is getting resolved but other than that we haven't had any problems. As far as other makes/models I have not had any experience with them. One of the limiting factors on the 870 I think is that it is hard for trash to flow through the disk levelers because of having the shanks on 24" centers instead of 30's. If ya have more questions just ask!
Landon
P.S.- Here is the job it does in chopped ground, I'll try to find a pic of non-chopped
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| The Landoll 2211 will give you the most constant results for blackness, mixing of residue and leaving field level. CIH 870 close, but have seen it have trouble in dry fluffy stalks, must have disk gang on 870 to get it black. Depending on soil and hill's a 11 or 13 shank would be all you can handle. |
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NW central IL | whats getting fixed on the leveler discs? |
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Hardin County, IA | Here is a video from this fall of it running.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXgAekbP2P4&feature=plcp
This is the post we made about it- http://talk.newagtalk.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=341149&posts=4... We switched to the buying the "newer" style ones which are built a lot heavier and beefed up the older ones we had.
Landon |
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NW central IL | im breaking the eye whole bolt that holds it on to the bar on occation, i havent checked to see if theres a fix for that yet. |
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| swmn8560 - 11/11/2012 12:32
anybody know what the differnce between the 4610 and 4630 is?? was at local ziegler dealer yesterday and noticed a 4610 on the lot... looked nice came home and went to sunflower's site to research a bit, and can't pin down anything on the diefferences...
4610 = one section
4630 = three section
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| iseedit - 11/11/2012 12:28
Did it stay in the ground? I assume the 46110 is the same outfit as the 4630, just fewer shanks and non-folding ?
Staying in the ground is not the problem, having the HP to keep it there is the issue. |
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| There is an update for those bolts. Check with dealer. |
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NW central IL | thanks, is it something i have to buy or not?
Edited by tj_farmer 11/11/2012 15:10
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| 4610 is a single section available in 7 and 9 shank. 4630 is 3 section available in 11 and 13 shank. The main frame is identical on all of them, so the 7 and 9 are plenty heavy as it is built to handle up to 13 shanks. On 425 hp, you would pull a 7 shank nicely and pull a 9 shank fairly well unless your in tough conditions. Buy a 9, if you can't pull it you can make it a 7. |
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| I would add that a customer of my Landoll dealer used a 2211 last season on a strip in field and rest of field was tilled with DMI 730B, customer could pickup a yield increase in soybeans were 2211 was used on yield map, didn't here what kind of increase. |
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| Depends on the dealer is what I am hearing. They have all known there was a problem and some contacted customers to warn and fix before something serious breaks. |
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Comparing -Kuhn/Krause Dominator, CaseIH870, SoilPro 513, Sunflower 4610's and Landoll's 2410's
