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Sunnyside, WA | I have a 35' Calkins chisel plow. Has 16" sweeps on 12" spacing. 4 sets of walking tandems. 3 shanks on each wing outside the wheels. The outside of the wing will go deeper while the center section comes out of the ground, especially in hard ground. I took on shank off each end, but did not seem to help. Planning on taking one more off each end. Have the sweeps in the ground ~4-5". If I keep the wing cylinders tight, I can somewhat keep it running level. Any ideas? This is a new-to-me chisel plow. I can't figure out if the center section is coming up or the wing is pulling down as the cause.
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Southern IA | looks like a field cultivator to me |
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| Too much horsepower pulling it too fast, better find a Ford. |
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NE SD | That's a chisel plow, not a ripper some corn belt guys like to call a chisel. Go look up a Deere 610, 680, 2400, 2410, etc. Most guys in MN and the Dakotas use spikes on them but when we used to do some summer fallow we used sweeps.
Are you running in dry conditions? They can be hard to keep them in the ground if it is too hard/dry. We are waiting for an inch or two of rain before we even attempt to start. Is the hydraulic system phasing? You might have a cylinder with an internal leak.
Edited by Chad H 10/2/2012 23:58
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Southeast Wyoming | I'd say try adjusting the wings so they don't go as deep and pray for rain. Our JD 1600/1610 25' models will to that if the ground is hard. The wings dig in and tend to hold the center out of the ground. The wheel tracks make the center harder to penatrate. |
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Sunnyside, WA | It is dry since we are all irrigated. I want to work it dry then plant and apply manure water. Applying manure water before tillage can make for a real mess--in many ways. Used to do it that way. Would spikes stay in the ground better than sweeps in hard ground? Could I add some tractor weights to the center frame?
I was using my Krause 6200 Landsman with 200 lb shanks and 10" sweeps. Started cracking the frame and breaking shanks. This Calkins is heavy built. This is not a field cultivator! |
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Sunnyside, WA | JD 8420 going 5 mph. 9520 is busy packing silage. |
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| How fast are you pulling it? Might want to slow down a bit. I go around 4.5 MPH on the first pass. |
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Sunnyside, WA | Ground is dry and hard. Do newer chisels do the same thing? Like a JD 2410? |
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Sunnyside, WA | 4.5 to 5 mph with a JD 8420 on the front. Tractor has its hands full. |
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Ohio | That's a field cultivator...it has sweeps versus points on a chisel plow. Field cultivators don't work very well without the ground either being chisel plowed or disc ripped prior to pulling it over the ground. This is a chisel plow...more specifically a disk chisel http://www.equipmenttraderonline.com/find/listing/UNVERFERTH-PENETR... |
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Sunnyside, WA | Here is a link to the manufacturer. You might want to tell them they are wrong also:
http://www.jeloveco.com/catalogs/Chisel%20Plow.pdf
http://www.jeloveco.com/ag_prod_chiselplow.html
Edited by J. Sheehan 10/3/2012 00:47
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NE SD | That IS a chisel plow, NOT a field cultivator. A field cultivator does NOT use 16" sweeps or run up to 8 or 10" deep. The shanks on a field cultivator would break almost immediately.
Edited by Chad H 10/3/2012 00:49
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NE SD | Yes, spikes have a tendency to want to stay in the ground better than sweeps as long as they have a good point on them. Worn spikes don't go in the ground as easily. We run just straight 2" spikes in bean stubble and some in stalks behind a VT unit. |
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Ea. Washington | Put on spikes and slow down. Got to give it time to go in the ground. Sweeps are for working already tilled ground unless you live where it's really mellow. You will probably bend the shanks with sweeps if you ever git it to go in the ground. Pulled lots of chisel plows and never thought about using sweeps in hard ground. If you are going fast enough to collaps the springs it will just pull that much harder. Twisted 3 in points are avaible and will make the ground black but be sure to get both lefts and rights, even number if possible. They are plenty hard on shanks and springs too. Calkins did not over engineer their chisel plows. Do it long enough,fast and deep and they will break. BTDT. |
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Sunnyside, WA | I might try that tomorrow. How much harder to 3" spikes pull? Just need to break the ground up some ahead of the Krause Landsman.................or field cultivator! |
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Columbia Basin, Ephrata, WA | I have a Calkins field cultivator. It is way lighter and has many more shanks than Sheehan's chisel plow.
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Central ND | EAckerman - 10/2/2012 23:32
That's a field cultivator...it has sweeps versus points on a chisel plow. Field cultivators don't work very well without the ground either being chisel plowed or disc ripped prior to pulling it over the ground. This is a chisel plow...more specifically a disk chisel http://www.equipmenttraderonline.com/find/listing/UNVERFERTH-PENETR...
Oh lord...... you can put sweeps on a chisel plow , points twists, beaver tails, NH3 knives .... what have you........
You sure wouldn't want that big of sweeps on a field cultivator shank as they would not be strong enough........
Not sure if you call it a cultivator or a chisel plow......... or a vibra chisel or a vibra shank cultivator or maybe just a "digger"....... and it sure isn't a moldboard plow......Just saying....
Oh......... rain would fix the penetrting prpoblem. Edited by School Of Hard Knock 10/3/2012 00:58
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Sunnyside, WA | Thank you. I will get some 3" twisted points and give them a try. How deep can you work the ground with 3" points?
I didn't pay much for this Calkins, so if it doesn't work I won't feel too bad. |
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Ea. Washington | Generally the wings tend to ride out and the center goes in fine. It may look level when lifted out of the ground but the depth may not be set the same. Better check the depth settings, we always set the wings a little deeper because they are the first to ride out. I think you really need 2' spikes, not cultivator points but chisel points, If you have many acres to do look at weld on chrome alloy wear points from DIKO or R@H. Working depth can be 8-10 in if you can pull it. We always shoved a 10' cresent wrench handle in the ground and if you could still hang on to it that was good.
Edited by headerpuncher 10/3/2012 01:09
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Sunnyside, WA | 2" spikes will probably work better behind the 8420. I don't think I will be able to pull 3" twisted unless I used the 9520. How much hp for a 33 or 35 shank with 2" spikes going 5-6" deep? Could I pull the 3" twisted going 5-6" deep?
Edited by J. Sheehan 10/3/2012 01:15
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NW Washington | Try changing the height of the hitch point on the chisel plow. If the pull point is too low on the chisel I think it will tend to scoot over the ground and not go in the ground. I remember that happening to me once with an old JD chisel which also had big sweeps. I think the big sweeps might be referred to as "wheat land sweeps."
And yes that is a chisel plow. |
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Ea. Washington | Went back and looked at the picture. thats a BIG chisel plow. Generaly pull 22 ft chisel plow on 12'centers or 23 shanks with a 875 Versitile.- guess about 12-14 hp/ shank. Not a clue how much hp a 9520 is but they don't have any numbers that go to 10,000 do they. Just put on the 2" points and let it in the ground till you can't pull it and then lift it up a bit and go for it. If you need to go in deeper it will go in better the second time over. |
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Sunnyside, WA | JD 9520 is supposed to be 450 hp. JD 8420 is supposed to be about 275 engine hp. It has new tires and is weighted quite heavy. I don't have hills like most dryland wheat farmers in WA. I can drop shanks and be down to 29 shanks with no wing extensions. 2" points will be my choice. Thanks for the input. |
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Ea. Washington | That looks like a tool some Horse Heaven Hills farmer might use to work summerfallow not too deep in the spring. If you are wanting to make the ground rough ond open for the winter to soak in all the rain and snow we need to get I'd take those harrows off or lift them up. A second trip after you spread whatever it is your spreading ought to make for happy neighbors and look good too. |
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Ohio | You guys must have mellow ground. Here I doubt a 500 horse tractor could pull that with twisted chisel plow shanks. |
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EC North Dakota | Just tried chisel plowing soybean ground this weekend. Same thing you are talking about, tried everything I, dealer, and manufacturer suggested to get my new Summers to stay in the ground. Had new 3" twisted shovels on. After 260 acres I am not going to chisel any more until we get some rain. Burned the shovels off so they are smiling at me rather than have a point on them. I did hard surface most of the points, forgot one or as a test and it is completely worn down while the hard surfaced points still have the v but are to the point I am turning them before trying to dig again. |
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Homestead Montana | Looks like the photo behind the pickup you have the drawbar hitch in the bottom hole try and move that up to the middle hole it tips your shovels down and they will go in better. |
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NE SD | I've never used 3" spikes. We pulled 2" spikes on a 41' JD 7-8" with a strong running 9400. It will also depend on how many pounds of trip force your shanks are rated for. The more pounds the harder they pull through the ground because they can flex less when hitting real hard spots. A lot of our ground is the opposite of mellow here. |
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Wallis, TX | I'm assuming that the depth on the wings is controlled by the hydraulics using phasing cylinders. If so, I'd check that the cylinders are of the correct size or they could lower the wings faster than the main frame. |
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Manitoba, Canada | 2" spikes will do it. the 8420 may be doing some scratching though.. |
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N.E. MO | I think I'd try putting a gauge wheel on the outside front corner of each wing. Might help keep the wings from sucking in and lifting the center section, which just makes the wings suck in more. |
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God's Country, Iowa | If that were actually a chisel, it would never have a problem going into the ground. Since it is a field cultivator, with the ground being so hard I can see where you would have problems. |
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God's Country, Iowa | If that were actually a chisel, it would never have a problem going into the ground. Since it is a field cultivator, with the ground being so hard I can see where you would have problems. |
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NE SD | <p>If that's not a chisel plow you better go tell Deere, CNH, Sunflower, Krause, Wilrich, Summers, etc that they don't know what they.are talking about.</p>
Edited by Chad H 10/4/2012 00:19
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Montana | When I was young my Daddy would put washers in between the tom of the shovel and the shank and it made the shovels behind wheels point down a bit more than the others and they dug in better. sometimes now i put brand new shovels, behind the wheels where it seems to be harder ground. ( 16 inch sweeps) I like the ultra wing from Nichols better than john Deere tru width. |
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Chisel plow not staying in the ground
