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| A while back I was asking about round balers. I found a Claas rollant 46, which I was told is a silage baler? What I would like to figure out, is how much hp the baler itself needs? Not the tractor size, but the hp requirements to run the baler? As in if an engine were hooked directly to the baler, minus the tractor, what minimum hp engine would run the baler? Conditions would be non production, light windrow of weeds, but no dry down. I dont even want to make even size bales, I wish to drop the bale at the same spot on the field each time reguardless of bale size. Thanks. |
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| There is a video on youtube of an Amish guy using a gas 55 horse engine you could probably go 30-35 with a diesel and small windrows. Will you be able to hear the engine bog down from the drivers seat? |
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Ripley, Ontario Canada | Looks like that is a roller baler. It only makes 1 size bale, a full size bale. You need a baler with belts to vary bale size and dump where you want. Those roller balers likely should have 75hp on pto only, more is better to make a tight bale. A belt baler might get by with less hp, but you should likely still have 65-70 hp. After reading your post, you might be better with a large square baler, although that will be hard on your budget. They will bale just about anything, and can have an accumulator on behind to gather any extra bales and drop them at the end. |
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| If you only want to get material off the field, what about some version of a hesston haystacker? 
as to the original question, another poster has already hit it. If you want variable bale sizes, you need a variable chamber baler. Don't have a clue what would mainly be out there, as all we saw were big squares on our trip. |
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| I'll have to look that video up. No, I probably would'nt even be able to see the pickup from the cab, just the top of the baler. But I could put some tach or something in the cab.? |
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| Can those balers bale wet stuff? Like if it was to rain a bit while I was in the field with this operation, could the large square keep running? If so, I did find a couple, though wore a bit, in a cheap price. |
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| Depends on what large square. The 8575 we had would bale silage no problem at all. Whatever you have, you are going to want to see the pickup. Especially a round baler, you are going to want to see the pickup. |
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| Hey Chad. I looked at those originally, but there are none close enough nor in operating condition to be had. I like the concept though. So if a variable chamber is needed, when you finish a field with a fixed chamber, and only have 1/2 to 3/4 of a bale, what do you do to unload it? |
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Ottawa, Ontario | Run a 44s which is a 4x4 version of the baler you mentioned. last bale goes on top of the wagon and either gets fed to the cows right away or, if its dense enough, goes on the top of the stack. they will handle wet material with no problems and are very dependable balers. can't help with your original question, but we run an older 105hp (IH 986) on ours and its lots of power in dry hay, but no more than enough in the wet stuff. manual recommends 75hp if memory serves. |
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| Never run one, but, my understanding is, if it ain't big enough to have some tension on it, you basically have a pile. Too bad you couldn't get one of these bad boys. 
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| Ya, there's all kinds of stuff "over there" that I wish we could have here. But in my area, I am limited because all the livestock have been chased off. |
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| There was a dealer for one brand of those self loading forage boxes around quincy IL. Can't remember the dealer or the brand. |
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Somewhereville, Earth | ole pokey the claas 46 was a good ole baler, contractors here used to run em on maxxum 5140 pretty well,
they do go well if they in good shape, 80-90hp engine will do it, the hp draw in a baler is when the bale is big, and at high density |
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Ripley, Ontario Canada | Yes I think the large square 3x3,3x4,4x4 would bale in the rain. I hire mine done, but it is common for us to cut alfalfa in the morning and bale that night when we are wrapping hay. It is a heavy windrow and very wet. |
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New Brunswick, Canada | So you are baling weeds from a windrow and all the tires have to follow rows or the same tracks at least, and the material has to get removed from the field but its ok to dump bales once in a while, an option might be an old square baler with a motor mounted, they can run on very little hp although some small square balers don't like green material. With the knifes sharp and plunger shimmed right my JD will happily bale silage if you don't cram it in. You'd have to make the bales pretty short if you want a thrower to toss them into a wagon, or if the rows are straight you can let it push up a chute onto a wagon.
Another option is a trailed forage harvestor, if you have an engine mounted you could tow it directly behind the tractor and blow sileage into a wagon, there are some set up for direct cut too, crop chopper flail harvester? Some folks use old ones to clean up around their fields here. |
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| The same dealer that has the baler, has a couple silage choppers in good shape for half the money of the baler. It starting to sound like a chopper would not take much more power than a baler when baling green or wet material. ?? The header I use to cut the weeds, is a draper head and I can offset the delivery to the side of the tractor so a chopper could pick up the row. I dont have to remove the spoils if they are chopped and spread. So since I'm not chopping corn, how would the power reuquirements compare between a baler in green stuff and a chopper in weeds? |
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| Depends on the size of the windrow. For a given size windrow, chopper is more HP than baler. That is one of the reasons that doing round bale silage became so popular. Less HP required than chopping silage. |
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| The 46 was the revision/replacement for the 44s. They called for a minimum of 55 on the PTO. We ran ours with a Ford 5610 for a long time. That was 62 HP. I wouldn't want less. If you got a full heavy wet bale that would basically kill the 5610.... They work much better with about 75 HP.
It will bale just about anything but does a poor job in short straw.
You can tie off a half bale at the end of a field but you often have to toss the string into the machine. They don't tie well with much less than good full bale... I don't quite understand why you'd want to make less than a full bale either.
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South Africa | Hey Don. A Rollant 46 is a bullet-proof little baler. Low on the maintenance too. We have one that's done way over 50 000 bales with just normal maintenance (a bearing here and there, new set of chains every year, etc.). In our hills, we usually have 100 hp in front of it, but it'll get by on 75 too in straw. I'm guessing you can run the baler itself on about 50?
You can tie a bale that isn't full yet, but usually it doesn't work very well. What I will do in fields that suit it, is to drop the first bale, then turn around and go down the next row the other way, etc. That way you end up with a few straight lines of bales in a few locations on the field. When using twine, you have a good half minute or so while it's tying the bale. I've also used that time to drive around and group the bales closer together. You could also consider something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG4dnyyubcI
Let me know what you decide to do. Personally, I think you'll find a way to group the full bales much more simply than finding a way to make (and transport) bales of different sizes. But, of course, I'm not 100% sure what your'e planning to do once you've made them. Anyways, I'm sure it'll be a smart idea, as always. |
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| Man you really helped me out a bunch there. I had not thought of driving while tieing. And that buggy is awesome. Thanks a bunch. |
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Ripley, Ontario Canada | You can drive a chopper with as little as 75 hp, or 800 if you want. If you get a little 717 NH 75hp will drive it. It all depends how much you are trying to put through and how fast. The 717/770 choppers are really 7-9 feet of stuff (this is in good hay that would give 5+ 4x5 round bales per acre) the 782/790/892/900 choppers will take 12 to 15 feet nicely, bu you will need to up the hp to 120-150 to make time.
That said if you have a light windrow of weeds the power requirements and the width you cut can be adjusted. Also how fine do you have to chop this if you just blow it on the field. If you can take 1/2 the knives out so you get 3/4 or 1 inch theoretical length of cut, the throughput will go up and the hp will drop a bunch. |
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Round baler hp?
