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chillicothe,mo. | We are thinking about trading combines in the next year and wondering if anyone traded to a case from a deere and your experience. I have looked at the case and it does look a lot easier to work on and a more simple machine. Some stuff did look a little under engineered like the drive setup on the unload auger. Currently running a 9600 and looking at low houred 2388 and 9660.
Also what is your opinion of the flex head and corn heads compared to the deere. The reason we are also looking at red combines is b/c of the stories I am hearing on the deeres having high wear on the rotor componets. So if someone can chime in on that I would appreciate it.
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| I went from a 6620 to a late model 1680 and I was not pleased although the machine I bought had not been well maintained. I blamed most of my trouble on the previous owner until I started replacing parts for the second time. I certainly took good care of the machine, but I think they are not a long lived machine, too lightly built. I now have a 9500 and am very happy.
If I were you, I would try to get a late model walker machine. I have not heard anything good about the new JD rotor. They seem to wear out a lot faster than the old walker machines. I don't have any firsthand experience with this, but I know several JD mechanics and they don't like the new machines. |
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| Like the red machines, and corn heads, I still think Deere has a better platform by a long shot. |
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Walnut Grove MN USA | We went the oppisite way sort of. Went from a 1480 to a 9600 then to a 9650 STS. I think the 9600 was the better machine but do like the creature comforts of the 50 series. I felt the engineering on the 9600 was much better than the 1480 and better than the 9650 and what I have seen of the 60 series hasn't gotten any better. I do think the 1020 flex head cut closer than a 930 we have now but the 930 feeds better and is more durable. The new CIH rotors are far different than the 1480 we had. I wonder if the shortened lifespan of parts is because we a pushing more bushels thru a machine in less hours. |
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mid Illinois | I am a Case rotor fan, and you couldn't give me a walker machine. But have many neighbors running the new Deere machines, and get along pretty good with them. If you like Deeres, I think you would like the 9660. I always liked the way IH built things, ie, for the elevator drive, they cut a keyway and slide a sprocket on, and tighten set screw. If the shaft goes bad, we go to the shop and make a new one. Deere likes to use some goofy four fluted taper thingy to hold a pulley, the likes no man has ever seen, and has no hope of duplicating in his shop. So off to Deere for everything new. I don't know of any real weak points on a 2388. Some people have complained about light tinwork on Case, but I have also seen neighbors patching elevators and elevator boots on Deeres at 300 or 400 hours. One neighbor with a 1200 hour 9650 had to replace the total unloading auger system because it was completely wore out. So some Deeres wear out too fast also. I think the best of both worlds is the Case 2388 with Deere heads on it. The new Case head is basically a Deere head anyway. The Case 8010 is another story. Lots of capacity, but about everything is hydraulically driven. If you have a problem, then you call the dealer to come fix usually. The 2388 is more backyard mechanic friendly for most things. |
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Northeast Louisiana | We had a neighbor that went from a 9610 to a 2388 this year and really likes the new combine. Surprised me as he has always bled green. I showed him how to set some things, as he had no experience with a rotor machine. We set it up quickly in soybeans, and he asked, "Is that it?" When he saw the sample in the tank, he was very happy.
I think both wear out components pretty quickly, mainly because there is so much more grain going through them per hour.
As far as headers go, I haven't used the 2020 header, but I think the JD's are probably better than the 1020. I was never impressed with it and eventually went to a 1052 draper for soybeans, rice, and wheat.
Most folks like the CIH corn heads, they do a much better job of cutting stalks down. I know of a couple of JD machines running red corn heads.
Edited by Deadduck 9/16/2007 16:47
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WC MN | History of our farm from the late seventy's was all red untill 1999. 1480's - 1680's -1688's then 9600's then 2388's came back on the yard. Currently run a 2388 and lexion 575. 9600 is a good combine. 2388 is just as good. "I have looked at the case and it does look a lot easier to work on and a more simple machine." Couldn't agree more. "Some stuff did look a little under engineered like the drive setup on the unload auger." Can't say weve had a problem with it. Only reoccuring problem we have on the 88 is the clean grain elevator drive chain jumps off once and a while. We think the shaft uptop was setup wrong from creation, and might not be "true" yet? Though we do run Navies through it, and dirt plays nasty tricks on a combine. Long story short, If ya don't bleed green, you'll be happy with a red combine once ya got er figured out. good luck |
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| Neighbor went from deere walker to red rotary, helped him a little getting started and he is well satisfied, and yes they bleed green, only red on the place for now. |
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Hagen Brothers farms,Goodrich ND | When IH axial flow combines are called CASE combines ?
Case had absolutely nothing to do with developing the IH axial flow combine, CASE combines are those old orange things in the tree row with a tree growing out of the grain tank.
Cases only claim to fame was that they were the first to crawl in the pocket of mother Tenneco and Tenneco gave them permission to run broke and humbled IH about like Sadam ruled Iraq. I still remember the blood bath in local towns that had both Case and IH dealers. little tin pot case dealers were given the go ahead and the larger and often more modern IH store was turned into a storage shed.
When I walk up to the parts counter and the parts man asks what I need, I say I need something for my IH combine. Never will I call it a Case or even a Case IH, I will not give them credit they do not deserve.
Enough venting, but it just seemed that Case management really enjoyed torturing IH 20 plus years ago, and then claiming the bones were their own .
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| jeez, calm down. everybody i know says 'case' when they talk about ih combines. they don't mean anything by it, its just easier to say 'case' than case international or case ih or case international new holland. I agree that case didn't bring anything to the design of the red combines but that doesn't mean case didn't have decent products. In the tractor area case had some pretty good ideas. Just some parts built too lightly. i've got a 2590 and 1566 and after the updates the 2590 is hands down the better tractor than the 15 is. BOTH tractors leave alot to be desired though. I'm just bein funny here but everytime we have to do any type of work on the 'ol 1566 and it ends up takin a whole lot longer because of dumb design issues with the tractor somebody will say: no wonder IH went broke.... |
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USA | Had two 1460s that had 5100 hours when they got retired, had another that had 4600 hours when it got wrecked. Currently have two 1680s that have 3700 hours and don't see any reason that they shoudn't make it to 5000 hours either.
If the IH rotor combine had been painted green and had the name John Deere on it for the last 30 years, they would have run everbody else out of the combine business. |
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Mather, Manitoba |
Can you get a 9660 walker still? What about 9760 walker? 9860? |
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Hagen Brothers farms,Goodrich ND | Not foaming at the mouth at all C, :-) just venting a little about howCase managment seemed to so enjoy tearing old rival IH apart. And no, I am not getting on any posters "case" about calling the axial flow combine CASE when the company(heavy on old Case managment) activly promotes it. IH's problems were that they made some bad business decisions, keeping some poor designs too long, abandoning some markets where they should have stayed and allowing their labor force too much power to dictate wages and conditions that cut company profits to the bone. And yes, I will be the first to admit that some of the Case tractor designs were pretty good, that old 504 was a good reliable runner. It just irks me a bit that the Case name is on the front of a line that I doubt has one Case designed product in the lineup. |
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| Had axial flows since 78. Went from a 2166 to a 9660. We like the green combine. I won't argue that the red one is a little simpler mechanically, but there are a lot of things on the green one that make it better for us.
Number one reason for trading was the lack of service from our red dealer. Past that the Deere flex head is head and shoulders above the red one's (no pun intended) It will float across ruts and ditches that our red one wouldn't even think about. Single point hook up is so sweet. Being able to save your machine settings and go back to it from the cab when you switch crops is a dream. With the high speed unload it is really fast.
I have no experience with the newer style CIH heads so I can't speak to that or the newer machines. I've not been sorry for a second that we switched when we did. |
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| okedokey, i understand where you are coming from. i'll bet they did enjoy tearing IH apart, though. wouldn't suprise me a bit |
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| talking about hours here, we have a family in the area that ran 2 6620 sidehills from 1983 until 3 or 4 years ago and i kid you not, when they traded them on 9550 sidehills they had over 9000 (engine) hours on them and they claim ( my uncle who worked for them told me this) they never touched the major components of the engine. I'm sure everything else had been replaced a couple times. they weren't bad looking machines, just faded. |
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Rivers, MB | My understanding that 9660 walker is biggest walker available from JD. It will be or has been replaced by the WTS machine. There is no class 7 or 8 walker machines from JD. What class is the 840/860/880 NH combines?? |
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North East Kansas | We traded from a 9510 walker to a 2577 axial flow machine. The 9510 had a real bad first year because of factory assembly problems and belt problems probably caused by sitting on a lot for a year, but after that we didn't have one break down for 5 years. Having said that, we are very pleased with our 2577. The 2577 is beefed up in a lot of areas over the 2388 in places like the rear axle and sheet metal thickness. Our 2577 had a couple of factory assembly problems also, but they were simple fixes. We demoed a 2377 last year with a 1020 flex head. We couldn't stand the 1020 because in heavy stubble soybeans the cutter bar would push up on us in the center even when we set the platform for the maximum possible down pressure. When we went to ride with someone to look at a 974 draper, we noticed that all of the case combines had green flex platforms on them. We like our combine right now, but need more hours on it to know it is a good combine. We are running a 2062 draper (macdon draper), and a drago cornhead so I have no idea what the red cornhead is like. I still love our old 9510, but the case combine looks like a great combine also. The case combine seems very easy to work on. |
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| As long as we're talking dislikes, it's our blue bastard cousin for me... |
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Somerville, Indiana | Ray I was going to say that they left the word 'up' out of the original post but decided against it.:(
Dave. |
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Somerville, Indiana | One thing might be worth mentioning about rotor combines is the crop circles the rotor 3 1/2 times as it passes thru. If operator were to be overly anxious damage due to material other than ready to harvest grain could be 3 1/2 times as much as a non rotor - if the straw walker damage were not included in the study. |
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NW IA/ SW MN | If you have a lot of soybeans to harvest then I would recommend the 9660...unless you can run a 600 series deere platform on a red machine. We have a 9560 STS and run a 630 platform. I would describe it as nothing short of amazing! We were a bit worried about running a 30ft head on a machine without duals, but that head along with contour master on the combine works like a dream. |
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Manitoba canada | We went from ,MF 760,JD7720,JD9600 to NH TR95,IH1480 and IH 1688 and found that we did'nt need 3 anymore so sold the TR to keep it simple for haeders ,Maintenance has been the big bonus ,the rotaries are so much more reliable ,less parts and quicker to service We finnished harvest tonight (apart from beans ) they will be 2 weeks yet and the 2 IH's have completed another (cereal ) harvest with 0 breakdowns and the 1480 has done 4000 hrs . I tell a lie...The air-con pump flew apart on the 1688 ...Thats it ,I'm happy with that ?
Neighbours run a Fairly new cat and a JD Bullet (I'm not too familiar with new JD numbers) and they say the JD was a mistake and would preffer their old 9610 or 2388 back again ,This is the only JD rotor that i have seen around here ,Dealers brought a demo last summer and it performed badly next to a NH CR and AFX ?
I think my next one is a TR 99 ( If the TR95 is any indication as to how they perform ?
Edited by Bluepaint 9/16/2007 23:29
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| I've run AF combines since '82 & never have had that chain come off. I think you're right in saying it's in the settup at the top end. |
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| Having run AF combines since '82 I'm a little prejuidice. We have demoed a couple JDs over the years, even owned one back in the '70s & cut my teeth on a 45 & 55 back in the '60s. The ones we demoed were a 9650 when they first come out & a 9860 when they came out. Both were nice machines but a lot more complicated than the AFs IMO.
Everybody talkes about the difference between the red heads & the green ones but the main reason we didn't buy the 9650 was because we couldn't keep the head out of the ground. I got so disgusted with it that I left it sit in the middle of the field & walked back to the truck. Come to find out later that they hadn't bothered to hook up the lateral tilt :((. It was ashame because if it hadn't been for that I maight have bought it.
All I can say about the 9860 was that it was a horse. 5 mph with a 12 r cornhead in 200 bu+ corn and it an like there was a 6 row on it. Again the dealer, different one, didn't bother to switch the settings from soybeans to corn & the kid that brought it down didn't know a thing about how to either. Wouldn't have bought it anyways as we were wanting to try a 9560 but they brought the 98 down instead.
My biggest complaint on the red machines is not the heads, we have gotten along fine with our 1020s, but in the feederhouse. Same design they were using back on the old 303s. IMO the fh needs to be larger but CIH apparently doesn't thing so.
Just put a AFX rotor in our 2388 and really like the new rotor. Has increased bean capacity by 25%, if you can get the material up the feederhouse. |
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North Central Iowa | Sorry Dave, but I don't see the point of your post. First of all, in Case combines, the number of times that the crop circles the rotor is dependent on how your vanes are set. If you retard them, the crop moves through slower, open them up, and it moves through faster. Slower = more revolutions in the rotor, faster = less revolutions in the rotor. At the Case combine clinic I went to last month, they said you could get the crop in and out of the rotor in less than 2 revolutions if you opened the vanes. Second, how can you compare grain damage between a rotor and a walker machine and leave out the walker damage? The rotor carries the crop mat through and out the back, the walkers do the same job in the conventional. How do you leave the damage from one out of the equation when comparing them? Finally, I think just about anyone who has run both will gladly compare a sample from a rotary machine to a sample from a conventional. I had a Deere 6600, ran a Case 1680 for a couple years, and will harvest this year with a New Holland TR97. I wouldn't go back to a walker machine. Mike |
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| What is walker damage? |
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| "Just put a AFX rotor in our 2388 and really like the new rotor. Has increased bean capacity by 25%, if you can get the material up the feederhouse."
Cousins just traded for 2 7010's, and a pretty good acquantance of mine is also running one. Sounds like they got the feederhouse problems solved. In wheat they said it was awesome. Haven't got any reports from the corn field yet. The 2400 series heads look like they do an awesome job with the stalks, too. |
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North Central Iowa | Walker damage would be any damage that occurred as the crop mat passed over the walkers. I would guess that most of the damage that could be classified as 'walker damage' actually occurs in the cylinder or at the beater, but doesn't come out until the crop mat is 'walked' over the walkers. There could also be some damage to grain that gets pinched between the walkers, maybe, but I would guess that most of the damage occurs sooner and just hasn't fallen out of the straw yet. Mike |
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Anyone traded a deere walker to an axial flow?
