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IL | Since it sounds like the Deere Plus50 engine is getting priced out of hand, what are good alternatives? ( nothing new enough to be in warrenty). Don't have a problem with the oil, just the price.
Happen to be in Sams today, and their Rotella 15-40 was about $569 for 55 gal drum |
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Southern Illinois | Bought two barrels from deere the other day 800 bucks a pop 15w 40. Only thing I can say is in 22 years of changing oil, no engine problems and to me that means a bunch. |
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Owings, Maryland 38.6856 N 76.6752 W | This thread will probably bring out some gooduns,, I realize the price is out of hand and I think it has always been above average price wise. It is all I have ever used in the equipment here, it's going to need to go up quite a bit more before I consider any alternatives, I think it is good oil and as far as I know it has been good for the equipment. Of course some will tell you that the Plus 50 oil is the same as Pennzoil !!!!! |
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United States | I switched all our equipment over to Plus 50 over ten years ago, the tractors don't seem to burn as much oil and have had no problems so far. Just picked up another barrel Friday.
No plans to change here earthier.
Byron ecin |
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Central Wisconsin | Mobil 1300 bulk $9.50 |
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| Been using Dello400 for30 yrs. with absolutely no engine problems at all!!! |
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Minot, ND | mystic |
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| Archer oil. I would put it up against any oil on the market. Its very competitive in price an the best quality oil I know off. It has an aircraft grade base stock 6082D. Check out there website for more info. |
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Peace River, AB, Canada | Wally mart 15-40!!! When I see those crappy cars come in there, it must be good!! |
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Roseglen, North Dakota | The +50 isn't quite as painful if you buy it in bulk. Noticed on a bill the other day it is 12.60 thataway. So if you truly can run it 50% longer, then it's probably cheaper. We consistently run it 3-400 hours on the ag tractors, send in the oil analysis, and it's still well within specs. But perhaps some other brand would come back the same way. Have always had a hard time digesting how there can be much difference in any of the oils if they all have the same rating. |
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| If you don't have anything with DPF Mobil Delvac MX is priced less than 1300 since it doesn't have to meet emission specs. It has higher additives that the newer oils have...similar to Case IH oil. TBN is around 12 where newer oils are 8 or so. Going on a full year with it and all our samples came back just as good as any other oil we have tried including rotella(pre CJ4) and CIH. This oil was recommended by our supplier. They have a lot of construction companies running it in dozers and other heavy eq. Haven't bought since last year but it was under $9 but it's over that now. |
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Wheatley, Arkansas | I thought the +50 meant an additional 50 hours, not 50% more hours. |
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thumb of mi | We use conklin convoy and do analysis every 100-150 hrs. Costs more than t50 but supposed to last longer and seems to. With t50 most things would go 100-150 hrs without adding than would have to add everyday. No failures with either |
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SW Minnesota | if you purchase a new or low hour tractor , sprayer or combine and use the recomended oil they will warrenty the engine for 8000 hours providing you send in oil samples at the manufactures suggested time .the cost of this warranty is a nominal fee with no deductable. must use cenex oil which is less money than john deere |
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Southeast Florida | Huh, they just delivered 250 gallons of +50 and 250 Hy-Guard to the shop. Most everything I have is in warranty, now I’m scared to look at the bill.
Edited by Fla Veggie Farmer 2/4/2012 19:43
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NW central IL | bulk is a ton cheaper, they are ripping these guys off that buy by the barrel or bucket. i think you ll be ok when you look at the bill, i got mine late dec, and didnt seem too bad. |
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West Kentucky | Can buy an alternative that is equal in quality, meets JD warranty requirements, and is about half the price. |
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Tip of the Thumb of Michigan | We've been using Chevron for 30 years no problems. Our Chevron dealer had been recommending an oil that was the same rating as the plus 50, but this year he had an oil that was rated better for extended use. They run it in all their delivery trucks and love it. Sorry, but I can't remember the savings over Deere, but I think it was + or - 20% savings. |
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NW central IL | i know deere pimps out their oil, but theres a few people i try not to give money to directly, Chavez is one of them
Edited by tj_farmer 2/4/2012 20:20
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IL | I agree on the oil burning. Yrs ago, I switched to it in the combine I had at the time, and the consumption went down |
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IL | Barely go thru the barrel in the yr, if that. |
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Midwest | Rotella T is good oil. I buy it at Sams. Dont think you will regret the switch. |
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NW central IL | there is good rotella and junk rotella, just a heads up......i had oil consumption problems in my older truck motors with Rotella oil? might of been a fluke deal |
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NW central IL | i hear ya, and in that case it dont hurt as bad. but you could just buy 50-75 gal in bulk? ive topped off before, during a sale, and they never said anything. i also just fill 55gal barrels with bulk hy-guard..... |
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Washington, Kansas & Lincoln, Nebraska | x2. Deere oil is formulated by the cheapest bidder and Shell only makes money for the Dutch and the Saudis. Archer base stocks come from the sweet crude of Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas. It is then formulated in our own plant in Council Bluffs, Iowa to very high standards. I have customer testimonies about less oil consumption and even less fuel consumption coming to Archer from an OEM oil.
Do you all know that Deere oils are not API rated? If you use them in a tier IV diesel in a pickup truck and have trouble, the manufacturer would have a legal leg to stand on to deny warranty.
Edited by Larry NCKS 2/5/2012 04:09
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west central MN | We had been using bulk oil from our amoco supplier, then a few years ago the business changed over to Cevron oil I beleive. I remember they had a warranty program too if you did all the oil samples. Not sure on the specs comparing to Plus 50. I was just thinking ............. Our oil supplier delivers oil to a ton of John Deere dealers in Mn and Wis and possibly others. Picked up in Chicago. So , are they getting the same oil as we are ? |
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| I still use JD engine and hydraulic oils. I'd switch engine oil based on price much quicker than hydraulic oil but don't tell Deere that. I load my empty or almost empty drums on my pickup and take them to the dealer for fill up out of their bulk oil tank at the bulk oil price. JD bulk oil on sale is fairly competitive in price to any other quality oil. What's expensive is if you must have a new JD drum or bucket each time. I've used Mobil and now have a Sam's Club drum of Rotella for my Deutz irrigation motor that burns oil and the old trucks that get more time than mileage. |
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Mid-East Nebraska | Plus-50 II™ 15W-40 Engine Oil
Applications
– Plus-50 II provides the best performance and wear protection for John Deere diesel engines.
– Excellent for use in all diesel engines requiring a 15W-40 oil with CJ-4 performance.
– Excellent for heavy-duty trucks, tractors, pickups, combines and other diesel engines.
– Plus-50 II is recommended for four-stroke naturally aspirated, turbocharged and supercharged diesel engines with diesel particulate filters (DPF), diesel oxidation catalysts (DOC), and exhaust gas recirculation (EGR). Examples of applications include vehicles requiring CJ-4 oil, heavy-duty off-road equipment, on-road trucks, marine engines, natural gas engines, pickups, and automobiles.
Service Ratings
API (diesel): CJ-4, CI-4 PLUS,
CI-4, CH-4, CG-4
API (gasoline): SM, SL, SJ
ACEA (Europe) oil sequences: E9, E7
JASO (Japan) oil standards: DH-2
Global: DHD-1
John Deere: JDQ-78X
Cummins: CES20081, 77, 76, 75
Detroit Diesel (DDC): 93K218 Mercedes Benz:228.31
Mack: EO-O Premium Plus 07
Volvo:VDS-4, VDS-3, VDS-2
Man: M3275
MTU: Type 2.1
Renault VI: RLD, RXD, RD
Test Analysis 15W-40
Viscosity @ 40°C................... 128 cSt
Viscosity @ 100°C.................. 15.6 cSt
Viscosity index.................... 127
HTHS @ 150°C....................... 4.3 cP
Pour point......................... -36°C
Flash point........................ 225°C
Total base number (TBN)..... 10.5 mg KOH/g
Sulfated ash level................. 1.0 mass %
Features
–Exceeds API CJ-4 performance level for diesel engines.
– Exceeds API SM performance level for gasoline engines.
– Formulated specifically to inhibit oxidation, deposit, corrosion, and wear with superior soot control.
– Reduces oil consumption.
– Reduces maintenance costs and downtime, plus extends engine life.
– Provides maximum sludge and
varnish control.
– Excellent low-temperature fluidity reduces engine wear in cold weather
– When used in John Deere engines with John Deere oil filters, drain intervals may increase 500 hours. See your dealer for specific application details.
– Recommended for engines that have a 500 hour maximum drain interval.
Plus-50 II for U.S. and Canada
946 ml (1 qt.) .......................TY26674
3.78 L (1 gal.) ......................TY26658 CA
3.78 L (1 gal.) ......................TY26673 US
9.46 L (2.5 gal.) ...................TY26675
18.9 L (5 gal.) ......................TY26679
113 L (30 gal.) .....................TY26677 US
125 L (33 gal.) .....................TY26644 CA
205 L (54.1 gal.) ..................TY26656 CA
208 L (55 gal.) .....................TY26678 US
832 L (220 gal.) ...................TY26676 US
1200 L (317 gal.) .................TY26654 CA
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NW central IL | its just they are not actually certified,with the seal, im not sure about the warranty issue, since it meets standards, but not cert. |
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Beresford SD | This is intended to show up as a reply to a post by 1586 concerning Delvac MX.
Last purchase of oil here was Delvac 1300 Super 15W-40, mostly in mid 2011 for around $10/gallon, pkg sizes 55 drum, 5 gal pail (with rebate), some gallon jugs.
All the machines it went into ran fine, no problems. Previous oil purchased from CaseIH. No complaints with that product, changed on basis of recommendations from other oil users.
Same oil was purchased for township grader, recent sample page attached. Problems getting page attached to post prevented timely posting. The latest sample on the page was Delvac 1300 Super 15W40, all others came from Caterpillar 15W40 oil. Note that first sample was on new machine and oil was not changed. One oil change was done during lease by previous operator with no sample submitted, an apparent gap between samples 1 and 2.
This is not an attempt to recommend and/or sell any brand of product. The attached sample page is intended to show some numerical criteria which may be informative for certain people. I would point out the test information for the 500 hour drain interval does uphold manufacturer recommendations for that length of service.
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| The only thing that matters is if its API certified. All other talk means nothing. John Deere says there oil is the best. IH says theres is. Always buy oil on quality not price. Shop repairs are to expensive to think about any thing else. People spend thousands off dollars on equipment. An yet if a good quality oil costs 50 bucks more they complain. Oil is not oil theres crap out there believe me. People take 2 minutes to decide on a motor oil to protect there mega dollar tractor. Oil analysis would prove me right. |
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| The only thing that matters is if its API certified. All other talk means nothing. John Deere says there oil is the best. IH says theres is. Always buy oil on quality not price. Shop repairs are to expensive to think about any thing else. People spend thousands off dollars on equipment. An yet if a good quality oil costs 50 bucks more they complain. Oil is not oil theres crap out there believe me. People take 2 minutes to decide on a motor oil to protect there mega dollar tractor. Oil analysis would prove me right. |
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| JD's Plus 50 is just catching up to the rest of the industry. CJ-4 oils came out in 07, and JD never saw a need to produce an oil until Plus 50. It is true that it is not API licensed, so don't use it in any engine other than JD if there is a warranty on it. The warranty on any other diesel engine can easily be void since you would not be using an API licensed product.
Check out Cenex oil. Top of the line quality CJ-4, it comes with a warranty that won't cost an arm and a leg and is a better price than JD. With my warranty, there is no deductible and more importantly, you don't need to prove that the oil caused a problem! The warranty on my new tractor only cost $299, then I got $200 back in oil coupons. Best part is that it lasts for 9 yrs/9000 hours.
I'd rather buy oil from an oil company, and my equipment from and equipment company! |
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Alternative to Deere's Plus50 oil
