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southern tip Illinois | Anyone got one for their farm. Do you have trouble keeping the right fittings? Do you think it was worth the investment? What brand? |
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Kansas | I too am curious about replies.as we are on the fence about buying one ourselves. Local place has used Weatherheads for $900 IIRC. Looks to take at least $2500+ for fittings and hose. I've told myself each time the last 4 times I blew a hose on a night or weekend I would have one the following week. Can't remember the last time I blew a hose 8-5 M-F. Are Weatherheads good machines? |
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SC Kansas | Yes. You can't keep every fitting. Yes its worth having for me, if you run all like new equipment then maybe not, when you break a hose at 4:55 or 11:59 Sat. its nice to have. Ours is an Imperial Eastman air over hyd.. Your not going to save alot of money building your own is more convenience and less downtime. |
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southern tip Illinois | Gates has one for $1880.00 if you buy $2500.00 worth of hoses and fittings. |
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| Unless something has changed, weatherhead is a good setup. I worked for a NAPA store and made thousands of feet of hose with one. |
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SC Kansas | WeatherHead brand is getting harder to come by, so I'm told. I order all I can from Kurt Manufacturing unless I'm in a pinch. |
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Kansas | "Your not going to save alot of money building your own is more convenience and less downtime."
You haven't seen the bills from our local shop, lol! Appears I can buy 1/2" hose for half the price per foot in bulk compared to closest repair shop. Another shop charges $8 per crimp labor plus markup on hose and fittings. Local O'Rielly's may be open late, but won't have the right fittings anyway. |
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SC Kansas | it doesn't seem like your saving money buying hose 250' at a time.
If I don't have the right fitting and get one made I am always surprised how much they are making especially now that there using the same fittings I have been getting for years. |
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| Checked out a parker crimper at local shop. About $500 + dies if you buy $1500 hose and fittings. How many of these brands are compatible with each other. |
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Wallis, TX | Nice to have, but you don't save a whole lot unless you use a LOT of hose. I doubt most farmers will ever save enough to pay for the machine. The savings come from getting back to the field. Keeping the right fittings is a major challenge, never seem to have enough of the common ones, never thought to order the 'oddball' one and always seem to have a dozen that don't fit a thing on the farm. |
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central mich | We have a couple of units and can crimp up to 2" 4 wire spiral which takes about 150ton. That unit is an adjustable Imperial Eastman. If you do not want to change brands of hose and fittings then get a fixed die unit. (The fixed die unit put you at the mercy of the manufacturer.)
But we use different brands of hose and fittings because of the adjustable units. We make a lot of hose for ourselves and others. You never have enough fittings and adapters but we probably have at least $10,000 in fittings and another $5,000 in hose. We buy the fittings in bulk. A&I have their PIX brand which is slightly smaller in OD but is very flexible. But we generally use NRP-Jones products from Indiana. But if we see a reel of other brands we will use that also. All of the one piece fittings are "bite to the wire style" but we have two piece fittings also esp for the large hose.
But if you just get a 1/2 dozen of the most popular sizes along with the hose you will gain a lot of independance evenings and on the weekends. |
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Southern Alberta Canada | We have a Dayco NP60, it was given to us by a friend. I keep a bunch of NPT, JIC and JD flatface fittings in stock. I've been running these crimpers for about ten years now. I can crimp any style of hose and fitting up to 1 1/4". It takes a little experimentation sometimes but if you have the crimp specs and an idea what the finished product should look like you can put any make of fitting onto any make of hose, I haven't had a failure yet and I've probably crimped a thousand hoses. For air lines and water line and such I cut short pieces of steel or copper tubing and us them as crimp rings and use them with standard barbed fittings, makes allot neater job then hose clamps. Also I've used it to crimp aluminum crimp type cable clamps as well as shrinking sched 40 pipe over rod for brackets and such and various other jobs. I need to pickup a small die then I can crimp battery cable ends also. It's also portable, with a gen set I can crimp hoses right on equipment out in the field. I've still got to install a lifting eye on this one, with that I can hold it up with a loader or hoist and crimp hoses almost anywhere on our equipment. It is one of the handiest tools we have. |
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Southern Alberta Canada | Another advantage is you can reuse hose, most hoses around here get damaged or the end gets damaged or breaks off, we save the hose and use it for jobs that require shorter hoses. Some shops won't install ends on used hose especially if it's off brand. Also you can test fit, cut, orient fittings to make the neatest job and you only have to walk across the shop... and it's on your time. |
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Kansas | Very true Farmerkirk. Can have alot of hoses made in town for $3500-5000+ That's why we still go to town.
Edited by tornado2 11/11/2011 23:20
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LeRoy IL | Bought a gates off ebay. Have a john day dealership so get our stuff from.them. |
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Chebanse, IL..... | We've considered a crimper & supplies often, but have never done anything but consider. But, just a question or suggestion for those that seem to often blow hoses "after hours". Would a "generic" hose on stand-by not help you? Maybe have a couple of 2', 5', 10', & 20'x 1/2" hoses around as "stand-by replacements"? I suppose normal pipe thread fittings w/a couple of JIC adapters, couplers, etc. Keep them wrapped & taped on the end & return them to the storage when you are able to get the real hose made the next day, or day after? I realize there's still circumstances when these wouldn't work, but will you have those specialty fittings in your stock anyway?
I'm not trying to be smart, I'm just wondering if that works vs spending $4-5K & then perhaps still not have that one special fitting to keep you going another 8 hrs until the local hose shop opens?
Another question for FarmerKirk poster....why do you say Weatherhead is getting hard to find? Are they not in business? |
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mora | i came across a used one that uses parker style fittings. you can buy fittings through a&i also. do you save money, that is a hard term to qualify. i am a younger individual that i believe it will pay over time. how do you qualify breaking down late in the day or on the weekend and not being able to get finished up with the rain on the way. in my opinion there are worse things guys could buy with some extra income. i think tools will always pay for themselves if you use them. one thing i did not see mentioned was if you have one, you probably will be replacing hoses on equipment before they break if they look bad to start with. you break a hose and lose several gal of hyd fluid at 10-15 dollars a gal, it doesnt take long to spend a pile of money there. i dont regret the money i have invested in mine. check around some of the outfits that sell hose and fittings, they will through in a crimper for free if you buy several dollars worth of hose and fittings.
kevin
Edited by kevin wcmo 11/12/2011 06:49
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Southern Lower Michigan | It is hard to justify the cost, for the amount of hoses that need to be replaced. But it sure is nice being able to get back in the field on a Saturday afternoon, or to finish the field that evening.
When you buy an crimper. Try to get an adjustable one. The ones that use the spacer disc. pretty much are tyed to the same fittings as the model of crimper( weatherhead, parker, ect. ). With an adjustable , you pretty much can use anybodies hose , and fittings.
The proper crimp of a fitting is based on the Crimp Diameter ( This is the diameter of the fitting, after it is crimped to a specific hose ). With the ones with the spacer disc, you get only the crimp, that the spacer lets you get( which mnatches their hose, and fittings). With an adjustable kind, you can get any crimp diameter (with the proper die) that is needed.
An aeroquip 1380 is adjustable, and I believe the gates 707 is also, plus some others.
Joe |
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Northwest Iowa | We own a weatherhead T400 machine. It is well worth it. You can save a lot of money on hose if you shop around on the internet. I have bought weatherhead 1/2" hose for as little as $1.35 a ft. The local machine shop gets $3.50 a foot. There is a place called www.discounthydraulichose.com . They have a lot of fittings and hose. |
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franksville wi | we bought a gates about 8 years ago and very nice to have seems like we replace hoses that are wore before they break because it is right there weere before you would say next time I go I should replace that hose and then it breaks because you forgot about it. It is like anything you are paying for convenience. Will you ever save enough depends on how much equipment you have is it older or newer? Do I always have the right fittings? no but most of the time I do. |
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Emporia, ks | tornado2, Clarks farm and home in Strong City charges a lot less than NAPA and no crimping charges either. I had them make hoses for my field cultivator and the bill was at least 1/3 less than NAPA ....and Deere was higher than NAPA to make them up. |
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SC Kansas | At a local supplier they don't have Weatherhead fittings in many configurations and can't or won't get anymore. And been told by other users of Weatherhead thats getting more common. It could be a region thing also. |
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Upstate New York | I have a kwick krimp, I think parker used to make them. Once you use it a couple times, you can can put a parker end on a weatherhead hose or vise versa. With a weatherhead unit, you can only put weatherhead ends on weatherhead hose, usually. I get my hose and ends from discount hyd. com. Well worth the money! |
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Chanute, KS. | +1 |
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Agent Orange: Friendly fire that keeps on burning. | Closest implement dealer of any color is 50+ miles. Local NAPA & CarQuest started charging $1+ per inch for hose + $10+ for ends. Not really sure that going to the dealers would be much different because somehow the word seems to get around that "so and so" is getting "this" for hoses and that somehow becomes the going price.
I stock a few feet of 2-wire hoses from 1/4" to 1". I also stock a few of the more common ends and a few adapters. Discount hydraulic hose will usually have a special on a roll of 1/2" 2-wire for around $1.25 / foot and ship free with anything else you order. Otherwise, Priority Mail will usually get special fittings here in a couple days and the price is reasonable on the odd fitting that might not be in the shop stock. Here's my crimper and the table I made for it:
Cost about $1500, shipped in with all the pictured dies. I expect if I wanted to sell it, I could get about $1500 so the real cost of it is the time value of the money invested, minus the tax deduction I took when buying it. If anyone hasn't been keeping track, interest on saving isn't much these days so when all is said and done and you figure in tax payable on depreciation recapture for the sold item, the machine is probably going to be a little bit cheaper than free. |
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Hendricks MN | I purchased some of the hose and reusable fittings from discount hose to keep on hand. I haven't used the hose yet but the hose looks and feels like a softer material than most other hydraulic hoses. Ed for that price I assume you are using the basic hose, how has it been holding up against wear and aging? Anybody try the the Tough Cover hose from Discount Hydraulic hoses, is it worth the extra cost? |
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Upstate New York | Their tough cover or "kurt tough" has worked very well. |
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southern ontario | We have a portable hose crimper that uses a hand pump to run the crimper, we can take to the field and fix hose ends or just put a connecter in the hose so very little down time,especialy if its a long hose we just fix it right there on the machine and replace the hose when time permits |
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Kansas | We keep several different lenghts and sizes of old hoses off of scrap machinery hanging up in the shed in case we need them in a pinch. It just seems like the fittings are always wrong and never have the right adapter in the large drawer of misc. adapters. Planted 500+ acres this spring no problem and then for some reason blew 4 hoses in 3 days on the planter (all after hours, of course). Only one had signs of wear. |
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