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Idaho | Has anyone cut lentils with this head? What about short beans? Will a wind system be needed on it? I know a wind system will help, but, is it truly needed?
What header cart is the best fit/recommended for this head? |
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NCOhio | I was also wondering how they do on short soybeans and what header carts are being used. Anybody compare them to a MacDon? |
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SE ND | I ran the dynaflex and fd70 side by side this year in some short beans. As far as feeding both worked really well. The macdon has the advantage of always having the reel close to the cutterbar, but I can't say i ever got into a situation where the dynaflex had beans pile up on the cutterbar because it was to far away from the reel. The macdon had better visibility beause it was farther away from the machine with the adaptor in there. Both ran about as smooth as a header can, macdon was only a single cutterbar though. The big advantage to the dynaflex is the belts turn alot faster and are in tune with the speed of the combine. The transport is nice on the macdon for us since we only really need it to put the header in the shed, we have wide roads and are not spread out very far. The dynaflex was really impressive and it will flex more than the macdon because it is a true flex design. I never really played around with adjusting the downpressure on the dynaflex but I think that will also be an advantage to be able to adjust on the go. When it comes time for a different head it will be a tough choice. |
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Ontario Canada | These are some questions i was looking for some answers for too, Catfan1 i feel some relief after reading your reply, we have ordered a Dynaflex and an S67 and i sure hope it cuts and feeds short beans as well as you say it does. I was talking to Crary and they have told me that an air reel is not available as of yet, something to do with problems that could happen with putting the drive on the one side and it would cause the belts to get out of time, this is what i have been told by a Crary rep. If you have any other comments and can tell us more please do, thanks very much for your informative reply, appreciate it. |
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Oregon | Sounds like it is too late to change your mind now.
Agco was running a development combine (Massy / Challenger / whatever) in a field next to ours last season. While they were hyper-sensitive about letting us get near the combine, we looked it over pretty closely at night. (Let's face it- running a tine separator behind a cylinder is not exactly top-secret information affecting national security) Their combines were all running the new draper in different colors. While they looked fragile, they appeared to do an excellent job cutting in brutal conditions.
-mike
Edited by mschultz 1/14/2011 19:07
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Concordia, KS | I ran one of the first prototypes of that header in down, flat peas and it cut and fed them very nicely. I don't know about short beans, I never had the chance to cut them but I think it would work fine. They will shave the ground and I don't believe a wind system is needed, but I have never run a header with one. |
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Concordia, KS | Which belts? I don't think the drapers have to be timed. |
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Ontario Canada | The belts i was talking about are the drapers, when talking to Crary they felt it would mess up speed from one side to the other, i thought they were timed someway, thats what i was led to believe, maybe i was mistaken. Glad to hear it shaves the ground, can you tell me anything more on the operation of the Dynaflex and any other comments, thanks. |
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Southwest Illinois | The belt speeds on the McDon can be adjusted as well. They can actually be run too fast. The Gleaner head wins in terms on number of belts and open drives. Surely they could have come up with a better drive system. |
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Blvd d'Espair Bowhill, Sth Aust | 9250 draper belts are mechanical shaft drive, unlike hydraulic drive of most other colour draper heads, and as such arent speed adjustable. Constant speed of 502 feet/min .
The right side belt and centre belt are driven by the right side shaft, while the left side belt and centre feed auger are driven from the left side shaft
Edited by Ham 1/14/2011 21:36
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SE North Dakota | Same old lookingglass, nothing better to do than to knock Agco. How is that little 7120 doing? At least Agco came up with the header on their own and doesn't have somebody build it for them. When does your S77 arrive? Heard you ordered one. |
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SE ND | Yeah I have been told the macdon belts can be sped up... just the turn of a knob right?? Only if you want the side ones sped up, still not fast enough. Heard of alot of problems with them running to slow in wheat and actually causing feeding problems, not only of gleaners either. To get the belts the right speed on a macdon might be possible but definitely not as easy as the dynaflex. As for the drive system I agree there is alot of different drive components on the dynaflex but they sure work great! Not sure down the road which could be more trouble, macdon has alot of linkages and pump drives which aren't always trouble free either. Like I said earlier, tough choice if you have a Gleaner(agco machine), if not you can only hope someone makes an adaptor for a dynaflex to improve that red, green, and yellow. |
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Blvd d'Espair Bowhill, Sth Aust | The 9250 has Stainless belt guards behind the sickle, and in the pics I have, appear to reach back over the draper belt some. Agco view it as rock protection.
Are these removeable ?
They appear to create a very large dead area immediately behind the sickle, and also appear to creat a large step up from the sickle to the belts.
I am concerned that VERY short and light crops (cereals) would tend to bunch there and fall off, -never getting to the draper belt. Probably most of you have never had such crops, but we get them. These are crops where about all you can cut is the head , if that.
Id also suspect it could be a problem in conditions when you get a lot of pre-thresh happening with seeds falling out of heads on the table
I would imagine some sort of air reel might help this significantly, but id rather beat the problem at its source |
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Southwest Illinois | Just calling it like I see it. AGCO is the king of buying a product and slapping their name on it. IE. Sunflower, White, etc. The S series may be the first thing AGCO designed that actually may sell. We know the other two designs they had failed miserably...see the A85 and AGCO star. 7120 just fine. I sure won't be going back silver anytime soon. I did hear that the local dealer who covers about 5 or 6 counties did sell 2 of them. That has to be exciting. |
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NC KS | Timing has to do with the sickles and keeping them in time. |
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North west Iowa | Mshultz Where are you from and when did you see these new agco combines, and in what crop...... i didn't relize agco test any of there combines haha at least not this now axial series it was a disaster.... i think if the do any testin at all its in wheat... not corn ..... just traded our 9795 massey for a lexion |
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Oregon | Eastern Oregon. They ran them in winter wheat here after coming up from the south. Due to all the volcanic ash in our soil, it wears components out in one season that I had never replaced in the midwest. And some of the land they were on was too steep to cut up or across- a good stress test for propulsion. One of the guys told me they were heading north to continue racking up the hours- something like 800-100 hrs of development this year. 4 machines. 1 yellow. 3 red. One European spec. tires / lights etc. All with the new draper. I forget which were running the longitudinally mounted 7-cylinder motor. The crew was not real friendly even though we offered them a large secure shop to work on their machines. Whatever. If the new Massey is the culmination of all their work, I guess I would not have been in a real friendly mood either. Back in the day Deere ran a 6602 prototype on the same land and the old timers talk about an early side-discharge IH rotary prototype the engineers would run back into a shop located at the edge of the property when they saw someone approaching. The machine they describe looks a lot like the development mule in photographs from the IH archives and contained in the book "A Corporate Tragedy" about the collapse, break-up and sale of International Harvester Co. Anyhow- Agco did a lot of work around here last season on the Massey platform running the new draper- but we didn't see the reincarnated R series Gleaner- From the photos it looks like development work for that combine stayed in the midwest. A decision which seems odd considering that if the R has a strength, it is dry land wheat.
-mike |
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Oregon | That is a good observation. I was also wondering about how short crops would handle that space. But they were cutting pretty poor wheat in one field right across the road from me for a couple of days and I didn't observe any feeding issues. I am sure some of the guys who used them on beans or peas could better comment. They did have some downtime on driveline work- while that is a forgivable development issue, the drive is complex.
-mike |
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SE ND | If you think a good judgement of whats best is how many they sell you should have bought a green combine.. |
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North west Iowa | ive never heard of a side discharge combine but that sounds very interesting ha thanks for the info |
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Gleaner 9250 flex draper header
