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NW IL | Using 744 brents right now. They don't tow in tandem very well for me. Have 31mph tractor and not ready for headaches of a truck. Could buy trailer now and always add semi later. Does someone offer tandem dolly? What about brakes? TIA |
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Angleton Texas | I have seen it done with the brakes backed off (dont know how legal it is ) flat ground should be ok |
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Columbia Basin, Ephrata, WA | There are some pintle hitch dollys that you could hitch behind a tractor. I built a dolly with the back half of an old freightliner. The dolly has no brakes, and some trailers don't need air to roll. For brakes or to make newer trailers roll, you'd need some kind of air compressor, and then ?? I'd say at least a trailer hand valve in the cab if not some kind of automatic brake actuator.
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| Dad got a $1,200.00 fine 15 years ago for pulling a semi trailer with a farm tractor, I would advise against it. |
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NW IL | Didn't know that thanks. |
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western iowa | Better get it set up for lights, brakes and get it figured out how much weight you can put on there. That set up would get me pulled over by every DOT that saw it. 2 Brent 544s pull really nice and you can haul 1100 bushels. |
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mw | You can cage the spring brakes to let them roll without air. Really simple, easier if you air up and release the brakes with a truck first then just put the caging tool in and run the nut tight on it.
Not sure on the legality of it, i suppose it differs state to state. |
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NEMO | Ed Boysen does.. But his tractor is equipped with air brakes. |
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| I made a dolly from an old semi tractor and pull an old hopper without spring brakes. The place where you are really at risk is turning. If you try to slow down while turning, you can really feel the tractor being pushed. I have used it for several years and like it much better than pulling wagons. |
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Mather, Manitoba | why would you want to? You're not saving anything by doing it. Unless you have product to get off a massively wet field. You have to spend a few hours backing off brakes, hooking up lights and a converter dolly. You can rent a 20 yr old day cab for 500 a month.... and have your tractor freed up. |
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| Works great for moving hay but would not want to move grain without brakes.
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Saskatchewan, Canada | I seen one guy who took the air pots off and put in small hyd clyinders. He just used the tractor hyd controls to apply and hold for park, nad he had some serious hills to go on. |
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Central Illinois |
I'm pretty sure you're limited to 18,000 pounds on each wagon axle too, so you could also get fined for the 700+ bushel wagons unless you only put around 500-550 bushel on them. |
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Near Richmond, IN | Neighbor moves his Komatsu P200 excavator all around with his tractor and a lowboy trailer. Don't know how he's got it setup but pulls it with a FWA JD and the trailer has brakes, I do know that much. By all around, I mean he hauls it that way at least 10 miles to neighboring jobs. If they're much farther than that he hires a semi to move it. |
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It made a Crop | Here's a link to Ed "B Train"
http://talk.newagtalk.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=33541&mid=2324...
And here's a link to the rebuild of it
http://www.boysungrain.com/trailer.htm |
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Tillsonburg Ont | The small hydraulic cylinders were picked up at Princess Auto in Canada. They went off the tractor Hydraulics and worked well. |
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Peace River, AB, Canada | Fendt or Deutz has airbrakes (factory installed) as an option on it,
Would make it easy to switch. |
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Morrisburg Ontario | It is legal up here in Ontario to do it with no brakes. We have been for a good 15 years with no problems. Loaded with corn is about 44000kg. No problem stopping with the tractors brakes. One night this fall we were hauling through a ride program, (checking for drunk drivers, very annoying, they stopped all of our trucks and tractors every time through for like 5 hours) and this combo was pulled over the they did a full road side inspection and found we were fully in compliance with the law.
We normally have it on our T7060 with 31mph tranny and it handles it fine at full speed.
Warren
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Central Illinois |
http://talk.newagtalk.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=117439&posts=1...
http://talk.newagtalk.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=135949&posts=2... |
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Columbia Basin, Ephrata, WA | Most European tractors have air brakes. I think it's even an option on 31mph Deere 7000 series here. |
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| John Deere 8030's and the new R series all have an air brake option they have a glad hand hookup on the back of the tractor just like a semi. Dennis SEND
http://salesmanual.deere.com/sales/salesmanual/en_NA/tractors/attac...
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Morrisburg Ontario | This T7070 autocommand has an air compressor to run the trailer brakes on this rig.
Warren
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SW Ontario | We pull a grain trailer with a tractor. A truck dealer built us a tandem converter dolly with a fifth wheel on it. We put a pressure tank on the hitch of that dolley ( approx. 50 gal steel tank) and charge it up with our shop compressor to about 120 psi. We hook that up to the trailer with a parking brake and a hand valve in the cab. One charge of the pressure tank per day gives us enough air for breaking for a whole day. It's cheap, it works and it is a lot safer than no brakes at all! |
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nw iowa | Why don't you like 2 744's in tandem? I know a neighbor that has 8 pairs of 740's, has pulled pairs for 20 some years. |
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NW IL | On highway it works OK, but on township roads (not very level) the rear wagon starts whipping around if u go over 22mph when loaded. Toe in is OK. Tongue is tight. Thought trailer would follow better, and be safer? |
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Alma NE | Find a place that sells these over here in the states and have air over hydraulic brakes
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/AIR-AND-OIL-BRAKE-ACTUATOR-FAST-TOW-TRAILER-/...
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Heil Harvesting, Ulysses KS/Limon CO | May see more of this as CSA 2010 goes into effect here in 2011. They are going to make it rough on all truckers. Going to be a HUGE pain for those of us who truck as supplementary business to our primary business. That thing is scary. For some, it is just a matter of life, we have to have trucks--but I can see for a producer making relatively short deliveries this could be an option...
In KS you are still subject to axle weights but that is all. No licensing or anything. NE I believe is similar. |
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| What is a single axle straight truck allowed to carry on the rear axle in Illinois? 18,000? 20,000? |
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| I'm not sure what "headaches of a truck" you would avoid by pulling a hopper bottom with a farm tractor. I'd think a rig like that would be a like placing a bullseye on your trailer for the Dot to stop you. Seems to me like you'd have all of the bad points of both rigs without the main benefit of a truck. |
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Pocahontas, Ia | I realize the OP is in Illinois. Since you are in Iowa, I think these are the Iowa rules:
http://www.iowadot.gov/mvd/omve/truckguide.pdf It is a PDF on page Sec. 1:61
A semi-trailer exclusively used in an agricultural operation may be considered an implement of husbandry if reconstructed by permanent attachment of a converter dolly. Reconstructed semi-trailers may be pulled by farm tractors and must meet the lighting requirements for implements, may claim exception from axle weight limits, and do not need to be registered. Semi-trailers connected to a detachable converter dolly are not reconstructed and not privileged to the implement exceptions.
There are other rules that apply but a friend claims this rule exempts him from axle weight and bridge laws. The key is non-detachable converter dolly.
He uses an air compressor attached to his PTO to power the air brakes with a hand valve inside the cab.
Reconstructed Semi-trailers |
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| wondering if most tractors with duals would fit over the scales and in the dump area of most elevators? |
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Guelph, Ontario | This is what we are using for the overflow the truck can't handle.
The 8225R had a hydraulic brake kit from the factory.
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| Sounds like he better make DANG sure it is a non-detachable converter dolly before he loads it front to back and starts crossing old wooden bridges. Sounds like the kind of law where if you ask two different Dot officers you're gonna get two different answers. Still, combining all of the headaches of a dumping a hopper with the slow travel speed of a tractor (yes he is talking about a fast tractor but its still slow) doesn't seem like that great of an idea to me. |
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SE IA | Used to pull a hopper bottom semi trailer with tractors. Make sure you have plenty of tractor on it or it will shove you around. When the tandems on the dolly are headed in one direction they have to be dragged to turn them, I spun a tractor out (in a circle) more than once trying to turn that thing. I put some small diameter hydraulic cylinders on the trailer to run the slack adjusters for brakes. IA DOT never bothered me and they had plenty of opportunities. |
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Guelph, Ontario | Does anyone have a # for those cylinders at Princess Auto? I can't seem to find any small "one way" cylinders on their site.
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Sac & Story county IA |
"Sounds like he better make DANG sure it is a non-detachable converter dolly before he loads it front to back and starts crossing old wooden bridges."
How about the little signs on the posted bridges that says "ALL VEHICLES"?
I read Iowa State University and Crawford County were doing some kind of research on bridges and the county engineer made the statement something like "it is legal on the road but not on the bridges" talking about manure tanks and grain cart axle loads. I have no idea what is the right answer. Or where to find out. |
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| What about the ones that aren't posted? Common sense goes a long ways. Thing is most people don't have much of it. |
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sw corner ia. | so what makes the coverter dog permanent? it is a fifth wheel.. I have wondered about this very thing too. |
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Sac & Story county IA | I don't know. I don't where to find the answer, either. I have never read anything about that. A person should know that stuff in advance of a "deal". |
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Central Illinois |
I'll say it's 18,000 but that may not be correct. |
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Pocahontas, Ia | He (and everybody) has to obey a posted bridge limit. A non posted bridge has no limit.
I was talking about what is referred to as "bridge laws". Gross weight is limited by axle group spacing. See above link Sec 1:20 or the chart in any truckers atlas. |
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Hoffman, IL | I may be wrong but in IL the farm weight exemption is only to 36000 lbs. I don't know about you but have had a couple of people get some pretty hefty fines pulling these big wagons with a pickup. I haven't heard anyone getting a ticket with a tractor. I have heard of several people stopped for pulling trailers with tractors though. FWIW
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Anyone pulling grain trailers with farm tractor?
