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South Carolina | What is the arrangement between the farmer and ginner as to the sharing of the cost of the plastic wrap. I have heard that gins in the area are splitting the cost of the wrap. Other gins are saying they will not pay any of the cost. Any input would be appreciated. |
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NE NC | I had this conversation with my ginner yesterday. He will help pay for the wrap after every other gin does. I'm on my own. |
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Gobbler's Knob | Why would a gin want/need to share the cost of the plastic wrap? It's no different than fuel or oil for your picker. |
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Texas/New Mexico Stateline | Here once the cotton is in a conventional module, the gin's insurance owns the module. It is in their best interest to protect it. I would assume the round modules are no different. |
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Wallis, TX | The farmer will pay for the wrap in the end, no matter who writes the check for it. Nothing is free, unless ya'll can pass the cost on to the buyer. What needs to be asked is how much price difference there is between tarps (price divided by number of uses) and wrap. Throw in labor savings (or extra costs), cost of moving modules vs rolls along with other variables and you can compare apples to apples.
What I can't get is a firm price on wrap. I've heard $8 per bale and $8 per roll, big difference.
The other question that someone maybe can answer is how do the rolls handle getting wet. I'm worried about the bottom. Does the plastic 'hold' moisture in after a big rain? |
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| Our cost on the wrap worked out to about 1.7 cents per pound of lint. From what we've seen, I think they'll handle wet conditions much better than regular modules. As long as they're sitting on a high spot so water doesn't get up above the lip of the wrap they're fine. |
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Itta Bena Mississippi | The 1st rolls we ginned sat from november til march, while we worked on building our feeder. They stored better than anything we ever had sit for that long of period except a trailer.
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| At our gin, the biggest 3 of us who account for about half the cotton ginned went to round bales this year. We agreed that even though the gin would be saving a little on tarps they were also going to incur additional expense handling the round bales so we agreed the farmer is going to pay for the wrap, at least for now. |
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NE NC | I don't see how it is a big money maker or saver for the gin. I am satisfied with paying for my own wrap. Just wish another company would start making some plastic to compete with the Deere plastic to drive down the cost some. I am sure there are patents though. |
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West Texas | ... |
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Itta Bena Mississippi | Lessee here, where to start.
1) The gin will be able to buy in volume, cutting the cost.
2) The gin will also have control of the quality of the wrap, insuring as best it can that it will not have to gin a bunch of wet cotton, which slows the progress down tremendously and drive the labor and drying costs up by 3 fold.
3) Any gin that will not take in consideration those above 2 factors, will give up cotton to one that does.
In the event no one has told you previously, nothing is free. Be it module tarps or wrap, it will all be considered in the cost of getting your cotton ginned.
I don't know how the gins in your neck of the woods operate, but the survivors here have pretty much learned that it only takes one or two customers with wet cotton to screw up the whole show, cost and time wise, for everyone.
As these pickers become more common(and they will), all of the gins will have either accomodate them or shutdown. It'd probably be a safe bet that mother Deere will sell every one she can build next year.
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Itta Bena Mississippi | Delta plastics, major supplier of poly pipe, is also working on it. For the here and now, farmers will be buying their own wrap, as there are still only a handful of 7760s running. It probably won't numerically be the most common picker for quite some time, but I do see it picking the most acreage in the near future.
Speaking for myself, I look to run my 96s for one, probably 2 more years. They're paid for and so is the support machinery. If the price of cotton stays up, they'll hold value as the smaller farms will replace their older pickers with them and if it don't, there's not an expensive picker to have to carry.
Tom |
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SE Texas Panhandle | Right now it is in a transition period in most places but in the future I think that the gins will have to kick in,to a certain degree. Our gin only has one custom operator running one here now. He pays all cost of the wrap. But our gin provides tarps for regular modules and they are not cheap and are costly to maintain,so in the future I think some kind of cost share is going to happen. |
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Slicker than a Yes album. | Question. If it rains on defoliated cotton, can you let it dry 4 days later and still pick it? Or do you need to get it under cover as soon as possible? Seems like it's in the best interest of the farmer and gin that it gets out of the field and stays dry. |
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Northeast Arkansas | I would say that there are as many baler pickers running in my area as anywhere. I would say that local gins will be ginning 80% or more round bales by next season. They have taken over that fast and it would even be faster if they weren't so hard to get for next season. With that said, the standard here is that the gin pays half. I'm not gonna say every single gin does but most. One local gin is paying 80% next year. If you cut out the whole buying tarps, sending tarps off to be repaired, and eliminating allot of labor picking up cotton in the gin yard it looks like it would be a good deal for the gins. Also, don't the gins get tax credits of something for recycling the wrap? |
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Lorenzo, tx | our neighbors who are running one said around six dollars a 500 lb bales. the gin is not sharing the cost. there going to pick some for me so ill be able to tell you exact number in a week or so |
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northwest tennessee | So at 6.00 per 500 pound bale what does that come out to for a roll? Also that baler that is on the back of the picker, is it a bigger baler than the rollers used for hay or about the same size maybe beefed up? I know the weight is alot more on the bales but is that just because it is cotton and packs so well?
Edited by feelnrite 10/24/2010 15:31
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Lorenzo, tx | i think the ones that these guys are building are between 96 and 98 inches, i don't know how that compares to a hay bale. i think that number differs from machine to machine. and im not sure about how many round modules you can get from one roll of wrap. there going to pick about 4 round modules worth maybe eight, then compare it to a stripper in the same field. same gin. |
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West Texas | The wrap we are using has either 22 or 24 wraps on it. It's John Deere wrap. I think it was $23 per round bale but I could be off a dollar or so. Ours makes 94" bales.
Edited by dutch 10/24/2010 17:51
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| A roll of wrap costs about $800 and does 22 round modules, each of which is about 4 bales of cotton, so it's about $9 per bale of cotton or $36 per round module. |
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| Is there any red machines in your area and if so how are they compared to deere. Am thinking of Case just because of the wrap, I am not going to pay 30 dollars arole to role it. You think JD would thought of the cost before building. There is a lot more red ones around since i started looking than i ever imagined. But i am looking for one with 4 or 5 hundred hours for i cant pay that half mill for one. The ones i have talked to that have red ones speaks very positive, and very satisfied with them. I am asuming that there is not many used Deere around since they have not been out long. |
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Southern MO | It should be a good time to buy the case module picker. I have heard several trying to trade. Just don't pay too much. |
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New John Deere Cotton Picker...Who pays for the wrap????
