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Millhouse
Posted 7/28/2010 00:07 (#1290936)
Subject: Compaction with walking tandem grain carts


South-central Nebraska
How well does a walking tandem grain cart with 20.8 42 tires distribute weight on a 1000 bu loaded cart? Do you have pinch row issues and do you see tracks the next year? Obviously how wet the fall was will have lots to do with the matter. I am currently running 2 J&M 750 bu carts with single 20.8 42 tires. Most loads leave the field with 600-700 bushels. I am wondering if I would be better off with (2) 1050 or 1150 J & Ms with walking tandems hauling out 900-1000 bushels.

Seems like a lot of 1000 bu carts being sold. I still truck a lot of grain a mile or so with carts. The smaller carts may be better for this. But, where is the fine line of weight distribution verses just too much weight period? A loaded combine with a large head isn't exactly considered light either.
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ChrisTN
Posted 7/28/2010 00:41 (#1290958 - in reply to #1290936)
Subject: Re: Compaction with walking tandem grain carts



Ethridge, TN
Here is my experience with a cart about the size you are talking, only a Kinze on walking tandems. Works good......till.......you find a good wet spot. Then you'll be figuring how to get it out. The walking tandem on the Kinze was notorious for loading up with mud between the tires, and then you had it really stuck, and a bigger hole left than you would have with something like 710's. If you want to eliminate compaction, and be able to traverse wet spots, there is only one way, and that is to bite the bullet and get a cart on tracks.
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Millhouse
Posted 7/28/2010 07:36 (#1291064 - in reply to #1290958)
Subject: Re: Compaction with walking tandem grain carts


South-central Nebraska
If I was always in the field the tracks would be fine, but the roading of loads to the binsite might not work so well. Anyway, I see your points.
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dewgubbe
Posted 7/28/2010 07:47 (#1291073 - in reply to #1290936)
Subject: Re: Compaction with walking tandem grain carts


Northeast Nebraska
We also road our carts loaded about a mile. This coming season we will be roading them 2 miles one way. I hear this is the hardest thing you can do on the tires. What size tires hold up the best to being roaded while loaded?
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swne
Posted 7/28/2010 07:48 (#1291074 - in reply to #1290936)
Subject: Re: Compaction with walking tandem grain carts


Cambridge, southwestern Nebraska
I got a J & M 1050 with 900 sized tires on it and really like it. The tread is wide and flat across the tire. The only thing better would be regular floater tires for another $12,000. We usually don't load it up over 900 bu. but it handles fine with that. I would say you could road that much without a problem. It will hold well over 1,000.
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Millhouse
Posted 7/28/2010 08:13 (#1291098 - in reply to #1291073)
Subject: Re: Compaction with walking tandem grain carts


South-central Nebraska
I asked that question via e-mail to J & M and the reply was with walking tandems. Double the tires and spindles for strength and the walking action for more flex going in and out of fields as well as anything in the field.
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Sando
Posted 7/28/2010 08:49 (#1291139 - in reply to #1290936)
Subject: RE: Compaction with walking tandem grain carts


Qld Australia
Down here in Oz we have tandem carts with the wheels following each other rather than side by side. Ours hold about 850 bu with 4 x 24.5/32 tyres on it. Only one set of tracks but the down side is you need a little more room to turn. Big plus is they tow way better than a single axle. put whatever size tyres you like on it. Food for thought.

Sando



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FFJR
Posted 7/28/2010 09:39 (#1291199 - in reply to #1291139)
Subject: RE: Compaction with walking tandem grain carts



nc IA
Other then a few 1000+ bushel Blazer brand, I've never seen that offered here in the US around here anyway - looks like a good setup.
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redline
Posted 7/28/2010 10:43 (#1291266 - in reply to #1291199)
Subject: RE: Compaction with walking tandem grain carts



Central Iowa

I am pretty sure that these tires aren't always the answer, either. I still don't know why the cart fell in a hole here. There really is no explanation for a soft place there.

It brought the cart tractor to an immediate stop.

We had a Balzer before this Kinze, and it had 4 30.5-32 bias tires on it. I felt it had pretty good flotation. It had to, it was built with so much steel that it was heavy when it was empty.

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jpmill79
Posted 7/28/2010 12:27 (#1291352 - in reply to #1290936)
Subject: RE: Compaction with walking tandem grain carts



Northwest Illinois
I sell Unverferth grain carts. Their 1110 is same as the 1194 Brent aside from the different unload auger designs. Once you get to the 20.8-42 duals you are around $600 away from the biggest floater tires available (76x50-32 Firestones). Most guys around here (N. IL) prefer the big single floaters because they have a bigger foot print and are less maintenance. This is the same tire that the Soft-Tred 1050 Kinzes use. The only reason I see for the duals are if you are worried about row crop tracking. Also, I'll guarantee the first dual tire to go flat is the one on the inside.
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Panhandler
Posted 7/28/2010 12:30 (#1291357 - in reply to #1290936)
Subject: RE: Compaction with walking tandem grain carts


Oklahoma Panhandle
Page 2 on this link might help.

http://www.unverferth.com/literature/brent/grainhandling/Brent%2082...
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yam
Posted 7/28/2010 12:35 (#1291362 - in reply to #1291352)
Subject: RE: Compaction with walking tandem grain carts


MN
Is that price difference the same with/without scales?
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caseih9280
Posted 7/28/2010 14:37 (#1291507 - in reply to #1291362)
Subject: Re: Compaction with walking tandem grain carts


NE SoDak
what is the reason for having a scale on the grain cart? and how do you keep it calibrated?
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farmertony
Posted 7/28/2010 18:32 (#1291718 - in reply to #1290936)
Subject: Re: Compaction with walking tandem grain carts


dont buy dualed carts they are the worst. last one of mine going down the road tommorrow buy a tracked wagon any brand any size get the tires out of the field,,,, big floaters seem to be ok but tracks the best
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