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Kooiker
Posted 5/27/2010 09:39 (#1215554)
Subject: How bad is a 1780 John Deere planter? vs White 6500?



The other day I saw a 16/31 1780 advertised for what seems like a pretty decent price comparative to other 40' planters.

 

How does the frame on a 1780 Jd compare to a 6531 White? They look about the same other than how the row units are attached to the frame.

If the 1780 is that bad of a planter that they sell at such a discount why would the Whites of the same configuration sell for so much more $?

How hard would it be to reconfigure a 16/31 into a 24 row 20"? Is there anything different about the frame of those two configurations or is it just a matter of taking stuff loose and moving it around?

 

How much tractor would it take to pull it as a 24x20"?  Would 150 hp 2wd have a chance? What about 150hp mfwd?

 

What would it need for hyd capacity to run without a pto pump? (Ground drive with E-sets) The one tractor is 22gpm @ 2400psi and the other is 27gpm @ 2700psi I believe.

 

 

Is going from a 6100 White (that we know and have gotten along good with) to a 1780 Jd a step in the wrong direction?

I think I'd rather have a 6500 White but this JD is a lot cheaper than any of the Whites that are listed on tractorhouse.  JD resale Laughing



Edited by Kooiker 5/27/2010 09:43
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TD15
Posted 5/27/2010 09:56 (#1215567 - in reply to #1215554)
Subject: RE: How bad is a 1780 John Deere planter? vs White 6500?


The 1780 planters have a lot of tail weight that end up put negative drawbar pressure on the drawbar of the tractor. Nobody that I know that had one kept their 1780 planter very long due to this and having the row units to close together. I can't comment on the White planter.
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beeker
Posted 5/27/2010 12:15 (#1215680 - in reply to #1215554)
Subject: RE: How bad is a 1780 John Deere planter? vs White 6500?


nw iowa lyon co.		Ross. talk to the Grooters bros. at rr feedlot. They made a 22 in planter out of one.
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can counter
Posted 5/27/2010 12:48 (#1215706 - in reply to #1215554)
Subject: RE: How bad is a 1780 John Deere planter? vs White 6500?



Oelwein, Iowa		When I was looking at planters last summer, the JD planter shop suggested that the 1780 for my application would not be the wisest of choices. The carry wheels get VERY heavy when the planter is lifted and will start pushing dirt ahead of them in poor ground conditions.
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Ed Winkle
Posted 5/27/2010 15:16 (#1215811 - in reply to #1215554)
Subject: Re: How bad is a 1780 John Deere planter? vs White 6500?


Martinsville, Ohio		Is it that much cheaper in the long run, Ross?

Ed
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Dave F
Posted 5/27/2010 16:44 (#1215885 - in reply to #1215554)
Subject: RE: How bad is a 1780 John Deere planter? vs White 6500?


Southeast MN		Can't comment on either planter but if you get a 40 foot 20" bean machine, I call dibs on your old 20" rig. 8-)
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Kooiker
Posted 5/27/2010 20:58 (#1216059 - in reply to #1215885)
Subject: RE: How bad is a 1780 John Deere planter? vs White 6500?



The 6100 would have a higher price tag than the 5100 did and you'd need a bigger trailer if you wanted to haul itSmile

 

The 20" 6100 was THE planter this year, now we need to put together a suitable corn head and liquidate an odd ball 30" planter.

 

Not seriously looking for a 40' planter but the price tag on this 1780 has the brain working overtime.

 

I'll email you later tonight and tell you the details of the green machine then you can tell me if we'd be crazy to try it or crazy to pass it up.

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Kooiker
Posted 5/27/2010 21:01 (#1216065 - in reply to #1215811)
Subject: Re: How bad is a 1780 John Deere planter? vs White 6500?



Lets just say the price tag on the 1780 is considerably less than a similarly equipped 6500 White.

 

Just don't know if we want to go through a learning process with a different brand of planter when we are perfectly happy with the White.

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Robert W Greif
Posted 5/27/2010 21:34 (#1216095 - in reply to #1215554)
Subject: RE: How bad is a 1780 John Deere planter? vs White 6500?



Dallas Center IA 515-720-2463		They are both Friesen Bars. So I think the lift the tractor off the ground in unfolded but raised that is the problem with the 1780 would also be a problem with the 6500 Whites.

Monday at Desoto Equipment I said to Wayne - 'I see somebody got tired of that 1780 [23x15] and traded it on your Kinze 3600 [31x15]?

No, he sold the 3600, and purchased the 1780.
Then he told me some of the later 1780 have bigger tires, which help a lot.

Ross. - Buy the Deere, but keep your Whites. Put the White units on the Deere painted Friesen Bar.
That set back that White uses would have to make the hitch light problem worst. The 24x30 does not have it.

I saw a 24x22 or 24x20 behind a probably 150 hp White a few years ago. One of the Masseys painted White colers 6144,. It was AWD [MFWD is a John Deere term, dreamed up to sell it because of the bad rap the Deere hydraulic drive had]

Go for it!!!



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Kooiker
Posted 5/27/2010 21:47 (#1216120 - in reply to #1216095)
Subject: Re: How bad is a 1780 John Deere planter? vs White 6500?



You might not believe it but I had that same idea today and told my brother we were going to need to buy a bucket of green paint and a bucket of red paint to make the tool bars match the row units.

We've got one of those Masseys painted silver, 6144 mfwd. I know the lingo is Deere but it seems it is easier to talk in the native language than try to talk to the natives in an foreign dialect.

I'd rather keep using the 2wd 2-155 for planting but I don't think it would be able to move it if I took a leak in front of a tire.
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Robert W Greif
Posted 5/28/2010 04:31 (#1216549 - in reply to #1216120)
Subject: 1780 into White 24x20



Dallas Center IA 515-720-2463		Ross, Back in the early 90s I made a 8-38 pull type 5100 into a 8x30 for Uncle Harold. He purchased the planter from a retirement auction and used it on his own farm.
It was 8x30 on the money. I did everything in my shed except cut off the ends of the wings and weld on the deals for the markers.
It seems to me that you folks do some custom soybean planting.

I think you may be able to get more money selling the 31 Deere vac units and sucking system off as a pile, than you would mounting the Deere stuff on your White toolbar. Plus save quite a bit of work. You may be worn out after getting your cornhead built.

Could you come up with 19 5100 units, plus two blowers.
Make your 8-38 into a 10-30. And your splitter into a 9x30.
And plant soybeans with it? For beans the rows would not have to be 'On the Money' as they are for corn.

A little concerned about tractor on the 24x20. Wish your 155 was 4wd or better yet a 160 4wd or 185 4wd. A 6215 would be just the checker. 4-210?

I may go find that fellow with the 6500 24x20 or 24x22 with the tracks on the center section. He is east of Stanhope, just off R38.
Bill Linde knows who he is.

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guts
Posted 5/28/2010 07:07 (#1216595 - in reply to #1216059)
Subject: RE: How bad is a 1780 John Deere planter? vs White 6500?


SWIA		No need to build a corn head when you could buy mine already put together. One case 12 row 20" 800 series row units. One JD 12 row 20" 40 series row units. I bought a Drago 12 20" corn head, don't know if I will like the Drago better or not. Located in SW Iowa 712-370-5682.
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Kooiker
Posted 5/28/2010 08:09 (#1216660 - in reply to #1216595)
Subject: Re: How bad is a 1780 John Deere planter? vs White 6500?



If we had a bigger combine we'd be interested in the Case but there's no way the current machine will carry a 12 row.
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Kooiker
Posted 5/28/2010 08:48 (#1216703 - in reply to #1215680)
Subject: Re: How bad is a 1780 John Deere planter? vs White 6500?



Thanks

Any idea what they pull theirs with?

I'm worried that a "cheap" 40' planter could turn quite expensive if we'd have to get a bigger tractor to pull it with.
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beeker
Posted 5/28/2010 16:14 (#1216992 - in reply to #1216703)
Subject: Re: How bad is a 1780 John Deere planter? vs White 6500?


nw iowa lyon co.		I don't know what they use but I can tell you we had a 12/23 that I pulled with a 7810 2wd for a couple of years and it would have handled it a lot better if it was fwd. The problem is when you get in a wet spot you lift the planter it takes weight off the rear end of the tractor and I had a full set of front end wieghts on it for the transport wieght,so the front end sinks in and your done. I would say a fwd is the only way to go.
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